julie bindel, concerning stuff. julie bindel, thank you very much for your reaction. have followed this report too. what's your thoughts on it ? too. what's your thoughts on it? >> well, i mean, just in response to what julie just said. i mean, julie is very lucky that she has not had gender dysphoria. i'm very lucky that i have never had it. in many ways, she doesn't have a monopoly on the experience of being a woman, just as i didn't have a monopoly of the experience of being a man. and experiencmanyeing a man. and experience of being a man. and experienc many differentan. and there are many different people who different who fit into many different categories, think that categories, and i think that there a moral panic currently there is a moral panic currently going about rights or going on about trans rights or trans people, as there was 30 years ago about gay people. and the same terminology was used then about social contagion, the fear of gay people in 30 years ago was that gay people were secretly paedophiles . and if one secretly paedophiles. and if one gay

julie bindel will be joining us.hould jk rowling be arrested for speaking out against the new scottish hate crime laws, and i'll joined later by the i'll be joined later by the author, alexander larman, to discuss book on the discuss his new book on the royal family. is the monarchy in crisis? following the king in kate's cancer diagnoses? well, first of all, though, let's go to oliver dowden now, who joins me. you can hear me. me. i hope you can hear me. deputy prime minister, thank you very your time this very much for your time this morning, probably have seen morning, you probably have seen your colleague james heep's opinion the sunday opinion piece in the sunday telegraph this morning. he's warning the is failing warning that the uk is failing to prepare for war. he says that ben wallace, he was defence ben wallace, when he was defence secretary, he tried to carry out a government wide exercise in departments going down and working from their bunkers to see what would happen in a worst case scenario. why didn't

but i'm afraid people like jk rowling julie bindel jk rowling and julie bindel and the an awful the likeough an awful lot abuse in order to get lot of abuse in order to get here and, but i, you know, i stand four square behind them. they've done people like sharron davies an absolutely fantastic . davies an absolutely fantastic. job yeah. thank god a lot of courage. yeah, absolutely. thank god. and, and really, the report is an endorsement of the position taken. position they've always taken. >> got about >> and finally, i've got about 20s phil. rishi sunak 20s here. phil. rishi sunak trainers. put people off. hahahahahahahai >> now that i'm the last person to talk about fashion, i mean, i'm the most unfashionable person in the world. i always thought rishi looked very, very fashionable . to be honest, i fashionable. to be honest, i thought he i thought he was thought he was. i thought he was a icon. certainly a fashion icon. i'm certainly not fashion icon. the least not a fashion icon. so the least i about this, the better. i say about this, the better. i would say . would say. >> well,

i'm also going to be speaking to julie bindel.pose had a very interesting expose dunng had a very interesting expose during week, suggesting that during the week, suggesting that primary including primary schools, including church of england primary schools, ignoring the schools, are ignoring the government's trans guidance and that teachers are affirming pupils as young as ten and nine who want to change gender without telling their parents. what's the point of the trans guidance if that's the case? juue guidance if that's the case? julie bindel has been a very vocal feminist on this issue and a key supporter of jk rowling. i'll also like to discuss with her the hate crime law in scotland, which is causing a lot of consternation consternation for humza yousaf and his party. i'll also be speaking to alexander larman about his book on the royal family. is the royal family in crisis? because of the cancer diagnosis of the king and kate? and of course, we'll from the left. i'm we'll hear from the left. i'm going be speaking to tony g

we're speaking to julie bindel as well, imminently.

but there's, you know, as many people, julie bindel, for example, feminist writer and campaigner, havepolice's ability to deal with rape and assault in scotland is at the very best inadequate and so trying to heap more pressure on police time , more pressure on police time, deaung more pressure on police time, dealing with hate reported hate incidents , on online or incidents, on online or elsewhere is obviously going to suck resources from where it's really needed. so this is a both practically and politically. i think probably more importantly, politically, this is a total disaster. >> total disaster. and do you think, ella, that the people of scotland are now less safe as a result of these new laws? if all of these resources are going into policing online speech and the like, and the issue of misgendering may become more of an issue in terms of police resources, then as you say, violent assault. >> well, the misgendering thing is a bit weird because i'm i don't think anyone's quite clear as to whether or not you will actually be clapped in irons for misgendering, because obviously j