julie mason joins us, and marge mark. thank you. nt to start with julie and this whole thing, what do you make of this? is this a personal war? a kerfuffle, or they really worry? are rove and those people worried that people may sink them in a year think think they can win? >> they don't like perry. it goes back to texas in '98. and the governor's campaign then. rove actually convinced perfectly to switch parties and, and they consider him a bit of a rube, a bit of a country cousin. perry considers bush to be sort of the country club republican, not really heir to the true republican party. >> maybe they're both right. >> maybe. it does point out this whole fight for the heart and soul of the republican party. which side will win? will it be the perry partisan, the hard partisan christian right or more the bush side out of greenwich, connecticut? >> what is this -- i compared him to bull connor with a smile, maybe that was too far, but i'm still learning about the guy. he didn't like the accommodations being based on the interstate c