i thank you so much, julie norman, that from you cl, talking to was from london to cargo ships, have collided in the baltic, had happened and mortars lying between denmark and sweden, swedish maritime authorities. say 2 people on board. the danish vessel are missing and the ship appears to be upside down. they say the other ship is from the u. k. it is still functional and the crew are safe. in italy, rescue workers are searching for any more survivors in the rubble of several buildings that collapsed on the island of sicily. they recovered 4 more bodies after digging for 30 hours. 7 people and i confirmed it to are still missing. the buildings came down off for a gas leak explosion on saturday. in the town of robin himself. south korea and australia have signed a defense deal worth more than $700000000.00. south korea will supply australia with artillery weapons supply vehicles and radar equipment. it's the largest defense deal between australia and an asian nation, and comes to time of heightened tensions between australia and china. the delivery of an important commitment of our g

ok, let's bring in julie norman now. she's a lecturer in politics and international relations at u. c. l. if you join us on skype from london to norman, then not officially recognizing the taliban. but if the french a driving setting up a mission, they going to be working with the taliban? that's a given. so what's the difference between working with the taliban and not recognizing the taliban? we hear from france and the you is really trying to thread the needle between giving the taliban that the gym is see that comes with recognition and having some kind of on the ground presence to deal with most specifically the humanitarian situation, which is deteriorate and quite rapidly, the you see this as being somewhat necessary in the short term for 1st of august or voting or military and crisis, but also for the long term for avoiding a failed state. and from avoiding other states, such as china, russia, ron, getting, getting a foothold, it's difficult, but it's not unprecedented. it's important to note russia, china, or other states have also maintained diplomatic presence. isn't ther

we will do that with julie norman. she holds much on international relations.articularly her focus over the years, terror in the middle east. all of a sudden in the past three days, syria heats up again. can you explain the new biden projection to syria and beyond after afghanistan? i don't understand with any clarity what our new policy is. julie: i think a lot of people are waiting to hear what the u.s. approach is composed afghanistan. overall approach international relations. even dealing with politics for the middle east. the more the u.s. retreats in the region the more creates a region for china to move in and for russia to extend their influence as well. also with tensions with israel. israel over the last couple of days we jump back in a couple of chemical weapons sites. it is something that probably good to be something we will try to be doing in the future. >> one final question on your expertise, what's the symbolism of the handshake of israel and the united arab emirates. >> this was a handshake between the acting head of the uae -- this was coming

julie norman, professor of political science at the university college london.t on cruise ships. a lot of messaging over the past few weeks and months that i think has confused a lot of people. are we supposed be back at work, sheltering at home, are we allowed to go out new year's eve? when you look at the messaging coming out of major governments around the world, how successful do you think they have been in keeping the public not only in the know, but making sure they are comfortable enough with what is being communicated? dr. norman: it has been a challenge, not only in the u.s. but in the u.k., across europe as well. what we see the cdc doing right now is adjusting as much as they can to the science of the moment, but the impact of that means the messaging is changing often. that is confusing for citizens, not only for things like cruises, which i would say affects a small subset of americans, but more about how people go about their daily lives. should they wear, what will happen with masks? it is about keeping up-to-date but having clear and consistent m