julie pearl is the former deputy attorney general of california. she founded her firm with the former head of ins so we know julie knows what she's talking about. thanks for talking to us. on the face of it, it seems like a reasonable move. there are a limited number of jobs that number is shrinking. why would we then import talent? >> right. because this particular talent contributes disproportionately to our economy and lots of studies show that they create jobs. they do not take them away, and that the jobs they fill cannot be filled by u.s. workers. >> president trump often thinks of the zero sum game. you can see it in a lot of things he says. so you're saying it's not a one for one, that the one job that might have been replaced is one for one that the jobs are being created. do we have any idea how many jobs? >> well, different studies. there is some showing that they for every h 1 b worker, their economic contribution take one to five u.s. jobs. i put up the challenge, if it's about jobs, let's make it about jobs. so say for every h 1 b work

pearl, deputy c.f.o. the proposal before you today is to increase the general municipal electrical rates by one cent per kilowatt hour each year over the next two years beginning julyssion secretary noted, the rate applies to certain city department and other discounted electric customers. the rate increase has been included in the city-wide five-year planning and is necessary to support the ongoing financial health of the hetchy power enterprise. enable it to continue reliably providing greenhouse gas-free power to its customers. the rate increase will provide the enterprise an estimated additional $3.5 million next year and fiscal '21 to pay for necessary planned operating and capital investments. the rate increase is supported by the city's required 2016 power cost of service study which recommended moving all of our customers, all of our power customers to closer and full cost of service over time. this proposed rate action supports our sfpuc rate payer assurance policy as well as our strategic plan goal of financial sustainability. commissioners, this rate action ties with the financial plan and the budget that you approved on february 11 of this year. but as

pearl, deputy c.f.o. the proposal before you today is to increase the general municipal electrical rates by one cent per kilowatt hour each year over the next two years beginning july 1 of this year. as the commission secretary noted, the rate applies to certain city department and other discounted electric customers. the rate increase has been included in the city-wide five-year planning and is necessary to support the ongoing financial health of the hetchy power enterprise. enable it to continue reliably providing greenhouse gas-free power to its customers. the rate increase will provide the enterprise an estimated additional $3.5 million next year and fiscal '21 to pay for necessary planned operating and capital investments. the rate increase is supported by the city's required 2016 power cost of service study which recommended moving all of our customers, all of our power customers to closer and full cost of service over time. this proposed rate action supports our sfpuc rate payer assurance policy as well as our strategic plan goal of financial sustainability. commissioners, this rate action ties with the financial plan and the budget that you approved on febr