and other health care issues facing congress is julie rovner, chief washington correspondent for kaisernews-- which, we should note, is not affiliated with kaiser permanente. julie, you heard what the president said. is he right? is this effectively repealing the affordable care act? >> not really. i think, you know, he's been saying this. he's been saying it's dead. most of my colleagues have been describing it as bruised, battered, beaten up, but not dead yet. the individual mandate was important but is not the only piece of the law, nor -- i think these days people are saying it's not even the most important piece to have the law. thathat may well be the requiret for insurers to cover people with pre-existing conditions or the expansion of medicaid. that's where most of the enrollment growth has come from. >> yang: the congressional budget office estimates 13 million more people will be without insurance over the next ten years because of what congress did and that premiums will go up 10% or more in most years. now, what's the connection between those two things? >> well, the concern