juliet macur has been covering this for the "new york times." and daniel coyle, co-author of "the secret race: the hidden world of tour de france." juliet macur, why do you think lance armstrong is talking in this way to oprah winfrey and talking now when just a few months ago when the report came out he denounced it? >> yeah, it's pretty -- it's a pretty dramatic turn after so many years. really it's been almost 15 years of these vehement denials that he's never doped, that he's sued people that claimed he had doped and he won those lawsuits and he's threatened people who said he has doped and finally he's going to come out and say he did it only because he wants to compete again. right now he's been banned from all olympic sports for life and the only way he could get back into competition is to tell the truth and say he was doping and to help the u.s. anti-doping agency build cases against other people and in doing that he could possibly return to competition as soon as eight years. >> suarez: daniel coyle, are there a lot of thing lance arms

joining me is juliet macur and betsy andreu. travis is telling scott on "60 minutes" that lance armstrong lied to oprah winfrey about his 2009-2010 attempt at the tour de france. armstrong said he used a little bit of epo previously. travis tygart says that is absolutely not true. also lance armstrong claimed he didn't offer usada a $250,000 donation amid lingering questions about whether he was doping or not. and that he didn't pressure teammates to dope their blood. travis says all of that is not true. that he did pressure teammates, that a lieutenant of his did offer a donation that he was doping 2009, 2010. and that he pressured teammates. what's your reaction to what travis tygart has said? >> well, i think that, remember, in the interview with oprah, lance said if he could go back to june when usada reached out to him, he said he would do anything to have that day back and accept his offer. so despite trying to bankrupt usada and destroy them, they've graciously given lance another opportunity to have that day back. and if

winfrey in a boadcast to beeen thursday night we talk about this entire story, with daniel coyle, juliet macur, and david epstein. >> the most interesting thing is definitely it is the most dramatic and precipitous fall of an athlete really worldwide in the history of sports. people have fallen down before, but not as quickly or as really breathtakingly as lance has done over the last couple of months, i have covered sports a long time and never seen anything like it. >> this isn't about lance in a bigger way, this story i know we are focused on him but really much bigger than limb, this is about our culture and story about abung pwer and what is he going to say to them? is he going to talk in terms of this is right and wrong or is he going to say i just want to get -- >> we continue now with sally jenkins of the washington post. >> i think we have done a poor job of defining what doing is, what is therapy versus what is doping, what helps a guy simply, you know, get back on the bike to ride another day versus what gives him a genuine competitive advantage, what substances are truly performanc

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cleveland is daniel coyle, the secret race, the hidden world of tour de france from washington, juliet macur, a sports reporter for "the new york times", and here in new york, david epstein, se a senior writer of sports illustrated, i am pleased to have all of them here on this program this evening. >> i just start with you, david, because you are here and go around. how big of a story is this? >> it is huge. lance has always been huge, so look at cycling, how many people really, cyclic, cycling when does it get on national headline programs, it doesn't, it did with lance armstrong and after lance armstrong it didn't and it is again because lance armstrong is in the news again. it is a massive story and i think his story had as many sort of components to it of what people look to sports for as any story that has ever been told in sports. >> rose: daniel. >> it is a greek myth, we have seen his rise and now we are compelled by his fall because it is driven by the same quality, that willingness to do anything to win in cycling that took him to some dark places and seeing exactly as we wrote in