let me start wh you, juliette kayyem. we hear jared kushner saying it was just a few facebook ads, but weee a much more serious picture being portrayed, painted in the mueller report. what do we know in sum about whatd the russians 2016? >> see, we know now that itar d early than we previously thought, as early as 2014, anthd it was more systemic, or systematic and more targeted than we had once known. what i mean it was systematic, there is a theory russia threw buof things at the wall and something stuck. and what we now know is bot through the republican primary and then through the general the russians had a sedtand concerted effort to utilize social media, theis adveents, and other networks to perpetuatel essentialls about other candidates or to support, by the end, one particular candidate, donald trump. this is outside the hacking issue. on the hacking issue the story is well known and it'sme doed in volume one, that those-- the hacking that was initiatad and sed by russia, desired by russia through wikileaks as th

juliette kayyem, brian levin, julian sell zer, thank you, all. i appreciate the conversation. go back to cnn's sara sidner in poway, california, with the mayor of poway, steve vaus. sara? >> we're here with mayor steve vaus. you were just there listening to rabbi goldstein an said something poignant about listening to him and what his message was. what was his message, what did you take away from him? >> as he spoke, i couldn't help but think that that was a sermon for the nation right there. we need to do more to see these people earlier. he asked that we bring back a moment of silence in school. it was very, very touching. the rabbi, i think, touched a lot of hearts there tonight, and a lot of hearts are reaching out to the chabad of poway congregants tonight wanting to put our arms around him. >> reporter: he talked about as he was standing there, talked about what happened to him. he held up his hands. one of his fingers had to be amputated. his hands were shot up by his gunman but he said we all need to do acts of kindness because only light can remove darkness. you had t

. >>> i want to bring in juliette kayyem from the department of homeland security and a cnn national curity analyst. juliette, this happened in sri lanka. we don't often see sri lanka in the headlines when it comes to terrorism. when you look at the targets, these hotels where there were foreigners, these catholic churches. these attacks taking place in various cities around the country, which indicates some sort of sophistication, what jumps out at you when you saw what happened on easter sunday in sri lanka? >> well, obviously, first, the targets, of course, churches on easter sunday, along with high-end hotels that would cater to westerners or nonnationals in sri lanka. that would be the first. the second is the nature of the coordinated attacks. that is not easy to do to get that many people willing to either bomb or be suicide bombers. i don't think we know yet how these were conducted. but just the synchronization of that many attacks means it was well planned. this is not something -- not -- multiple lone wolf attacks, obviously. and the third is there seems to be no dirth of p

also on the phone with us, cnn national security analyst juliette kayyem. ladies, we have the news now. kirstjen nielsen no longer dhs secretary, in fact, according to the president's tweet, it sounds like he already has an acting secretary ready to go if n pln . the video of kirstjen nielsen, i heard you say, sam, should be an interesting nomination. >> his acting secretaries and acting staff in so many positions at this point, we don't know what the path will be toward a constitutionally required senate confirmation process. when we think about what the confirmation hearing might look like and think about what the news is like every day we turn on the television, border security dominates. there are such divisions between democrats and republicans about the crisis at the border and how best to address it whether that's with the border wall, whether that's with more resources for the department of homeland security, cutting off aid to central american countries and so i would imagine that if the acting, new acting secretary of homeland security makes it to

i want to bring in juliette kayyem, cnn national security analyst. n the dhs secretary kirstjen nielsen and president right now, reportedly she went there to the white house at 5:00 today to discuss what's happening at the border. we know she came out earlier this week and called the situation similar to a cat 5 hurricane. they believe there is a crisis on the border right now. what would you expect the conversation to be like in this meeting today? >> well, i really don't have much sympathy for nielsen, anyone who works for trump knows there's going to be disagreements he's going to undermine you as sam was saying and she really did have the choice to put herself as the name and face of the family separation policy which in my mind sort of reflects the president's and kirstjen nielsen's strategy toward the homeland which is essentially, you know, cruelty without any process, sort of animating what they're doing at the border. look, there's a difference between a crisis and public policy problem. this is what -- and the president has created a crisis

also joining us is juliette kayyem and jennifer rodgers. it's so good to have all of you. jennifer, i'm going to start with you. i want to start with this new "washington post" story out tonight about the new battle lines that are being drawn. they're reporting that president trump and his attorneys are moving to resist all house requests on everything from his taxes to security clearances at the white house, cabinet agencies, conversations with foreign leaders and so on. they're reporting that white house attorney pat sip alone -- i hope i got that right -- is preparing for an extensive legal battle if necessary. how do you see this playing out? >> well, i think the key word there, don, is extensive legal battle because that really is what this is all about. delay is the name of the game here. at the end of the day when all of this is litigated, i think that the house has the better of this argument. i think they will get most of what they're seeking in all of these different categories. the problem is it takes time. and with an election coming up next year, this is mostl

back with us now, david gergen, juliette kayyem andio lockhart.eeling seems to be good riddance. how are the 2020 hopefuls going to paint nielsen's sudden resignation? or how do they use this issue of immigration now moving forward in the election cycle? >> oh, i think that the issue right now is very ripe for the democrats. and it's not surprising. i think 2020 politics, both sides now, heavily. and what you see here is that democrats are first of all making a point that nielsen was running an immoral policy. that she should be ashamed. and that sort of thing. but they're also talking about the chaos. and how these things aren't working. those are two issues that -- at the end of the day, the democrats have to have their own formula on immigration that is a lot more solidified than where they are right now. they're all over the lot with so many candidates. but the only way they can really succeed on this issue is to have their own policy, too. >> joe, put yourself in the job of being in the white house press office right now. what's going on ther

let's bring in now cnn's juliette kayyem our national security analyst and a former homeland securityresident obama. juliette, thank you for joining us. we have been watching your coverage as in has been unfolding. you have been giving us good information, good insight here. it's another shooting at a place of worship. does the homeland security department need to consider that they might need to establish new protocol for keeping worshippers safe now? >> absolutely. it's a challenge obviously these are private or non-profit institutions but the challenge is with any security issue is balancing, you know, what the meaning of that place is. so a temple or a mosque or a church, they want to be welcoming and opening. and then of course now in in day and age of heitened violence in places of worship and in particular synagogues and mosques in the united states at least and of course we saw churches in sri lanka, is to protect the people in there. and that's a balance that is really really difficult. we don't know the details right now of what happened in the synagogue, who was able to sto