shimon prokupecz, chris cillizza, juliette kayyem.get to them, first i want to bring in john pistole. john pistole worked directly under robert mueller at the fbi as his deputy director. john, it's always a pleasure and really important to have you on tonight and get your perspective. so, good evening to you. let me get your take on the most significant moments from the hearing today. what do you think? >> well, thank you, don. i think it was really a tale of two testimonies. in the morning, after his opening statement and initial colloquy there with chairman nadler, i think he was not as focused or precise or, frankly, even in command of the facts as i think those of us who worked closely with him were used to seeing in his prior dozens of testimonies while he was the fbi director. i think he was more focused, more precise and more in command of the facts in the afternoon session, and perhaps because that was an area of more comfort and familiarity to him than the morning session. and the whole idea of was there obstruction and were

josh, stand by, i do want to bring in juliette kayyem, former assistant secretary at the department ofnd security. juliette, what is crucial to public safety at this time? >> so there's a couple of things, of course. obviously you'll want a footprint of public safety commission to calm people down, sort of a preemptive thing to make sure areas impacted by the blackout are safing e ing igoine evening. as josh was saying, there's no reason to think there's going to be people taking major advantage of the situation. it's a limited area in new york city, i know it doesn't feel that way to people there now. but i do want to put that in perspective in terms of what's going on. as i just tweeted out, and what i can tell from my experience, there is a little piece of good news here, at least in the sense that -- well, two pieces. one, we don't think it's anything nefarious. the other is you're seeing how systems have been built since the major blackouts of the past. we've built our critical infrastructure from a homeland security perspective to ensure that it has what we call failsafe systems,

juliette kayyem, jonathan wackrow and former philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey. back to you, juliette. you've been listening as we've been hearing more about this shooter, the proximity to these thousands of people and that there has been a rifle recovered, but the shooter, it seems to be, remains at large. >> that's what we're hearing from eyewitnesss. actually there is a bit of a gap between eyewitness accounts and what you're seeing on twitter. i'm only saying that because this is why -- while we want to give the police department patience, generally there would be some information or formal information out by now. the number who have been at the hospital, if they can confirm the number dead, whether this is an active shooter or there has been an apprehension. one has to assume it is an active shooter. what kind of gun. the make and model of the gun. you know, we don't need this information just because we're on the media, we're analysts. actually, the information then begins to set a stage and sort of undermine the rumors that you see in this day and age. so i

well, joining me now, cnn's evan per perez, also john dean and jul t juliette kayyem.ts are taking this testimony inkroeblincredibly se. running mock sessions, have stand-ins for robert mueller. what are they going to focus on and what, what are they hoping to accomplish this time around? >> i think one of the things they're looking to focus on is the idea that, you know, the part -- the second part of the mueller report, the obstruction part, that there's still so much for them to get to the bottom of. for mueller to explain himself as to why they decided essentialessential ly they weren't going to make a decision on the obstruction question. that's going to be a lot of the focus of their questions and to see whether or not it can move the needle. you call it exactly right. the democrats who approve an impeachment hearing want to see if the hearing can move the needle for public support. nancy pelosi is dead set against doing this unless she can bring the public or the public is going along with this. so i thing that's what all the democrats are in favor of an impeach

i want to discuss now, elliot williams is here as well as juliette kayyem.h of you. why, why, why? that the question. elliot, you're a former assistant director of i.c.e. what exactly are i.c.e. agents trying to achieve here? i mean, what do they accomplish by going through all these driver's licenses for the? >> what they're doing is searching for people's data with a hatchet and not a schoalpel. it's a broad, unvetted technology that has huge, huge, huge risks for violating people's privacy rights. i think beyond that, there is a big public safety question here. what you do -- specifically what they did was lock ok at jurisdictions that gave driver's licenses to undocumented people. that carries public safety consequences because that makes undocumented people not want to get driver's licenses. what you end up with are unlicensed drivers on the road and people living in the shadows. setting aside the immigration and privacy concerns, you actually make the public less safe when you start going down this road. >> interesting. i mean, juliette, this is the fi

i want to bring in now susan glasser, juliette kayyem, scott jennings. good evening, one and all. so good to have you on. mr. jennings, i'm going to start with you. so we saw the embattled labor secretary alex acosta defend the epstein plea deal he oversaw. the president ordered him out there. will he keep his job? >> you know, honestly, i'm not sure because there are two issues for secretary acosta right now. the epstein issue, which is a huge distraction for the white house and for the president and his agenda, and then you have a number of people in the white house who do not believe he has been properly executing the president's agenda as secretary of labor. that's a cabinet where a lot of deregulation issues need to occur. there's a lot of people in the white house's policy stream that don't think secretary acosta has done right by president trump and what he wants to see happen at the department of labor. ultimately the epstein thing, though, is a huge distraction, and when you serve in one of these jobs, ultimately you serve at the pleasure of the president, and if you beco

juliette kayyem wrote a piece saying you meet a surge with a surge. doesn't mean we don't work on pull and push factors which are important. doesn't mean we also don't fix our immigration standards. but my -- i go back to flores a second, not to beat a dead horse but i think it is important, i was governor. i ran a number of systems. my own view is that every time you give human beings deadlines and limits, they go right up to them and then they go a little past them, a little past them. my concern is not -- i'm not critical of the personnel trying to do their best at the border given how overwhelmed they are, and the fact that time limits are very hard for us to meet right now given the lack of capacity at the border on our side and the numbers that are coming. my concern is rather than change the standard which will then if you change it to 25 days, now it is 28 days or 35 days before kids get out, because that's human nature. if you instead change the focus to what's the capacity needed at the border as the united states of america to keep children