evan mcmullin, juliette kayyem and max boot. i'll go back to you. ore the break we were talking about juliette's point about the transcript maybe a bright shiny object and not to look at that too closely among other things that may be happening. how do you want to build upon it, evan? >> we just need to broaden the scope. and look at other players in this or potential players. for example, vice president pence met with president zelenskiy in poland in september. the next day he did a press conference. pence did. and asked did you bring up biden? and you have to read or watch his response. it's long, he's sort of using this -- he says yes we talked about corruption but we didn't talk about biden. i really feel like he talked about biden, and i think we need to go back to that, we need to understand who else in the administration has been a part of this and then lastly, just remember that in ukraine there is a convergence of many different interests. putin's interests, trump's interests. trump wants to see a peace deal there so he can justify his relat

i'm going to talk with analyst juliette kayyem and also josh campbell. liette, would it make a difference? he said meaningful background checks would perhaps be instructive. does this signal what's next. >> what does it signal i think you're trying to ask me, what does it signal. >> yes. >> it signals that there will be no background checks legislation. president trump has been told by the nra -- we certainly no mitch mcconnell has no interest it, that the background checks, national and more rigorous background checks will not occur. no one should hold their breath at this stage. it's already clear. whatever he says publicly, we shouldn't judge anymore. donald trump -- look at what's happening. the senate did not get back. mitch mcconnell has not been meeting with democrats to come up with a solution. also president trump did something else, which is he puts that mental argument. this is just a bunch of crazy people doing this. so first of all, in the united states, we don't have more crazy people than in other countries. what we do have is more people k

is cnn crime and justice correspondent, shimon prokupecz and cnn national security analyst, juliette kayy kayyem. juliette, police say this whole episode started when the suspect shot the officer who executed a traffic stop. when you heard that detail, what did you think? >> so, this is, i think, just a key detail right now, because what we don't know -- i mean, when they say they stopped him for a traffic stop, was the violation happening at that moment? so the state trooper pulled him over? was there a pre-existing warrant? we're not quite sure the details of why the pullover happened. what we do know is that the trooper was alone. and the trooper was armed. so i know a lot of people say, well, we just need to arm more people. the trooper was presumably armed and the assailant gets away. so to me, that's the key issue. did they know who this guy was? were there sort of warrants or other things existing around the shooter? and then, of course, the uniqueness of this. i will say, is often when someone is pulled aside, they want to get away, they may shoot at a police officer. we don't generally

let's bring juliette kayyem, matthew rosenberg. you guys heard all of that. let's discuss now. j juliette, "the washington post" reporting that giuliani's interview raising a lot of questions about the president and the white house interaction with ukraine. give me your takeaway, please. >> i think we're sort of missing the take away. rudy giuliani is rudy giuliani. i think my takeaway from today was another letter that the ig for the odni sent to congress. in that letter it becomes clear this is not some trump trying to get policy change in the letter that was disclosed today the ig again says this is an issue of grave concern. we should interpret to not being a policy issue. it is not just someone who heard something passing in the hallway, but then adds this piece which it is something that most significant and important of the odni duty. in other words it relates to american democracy. and the ability if it is the ukraine the ability of the election to be free and pristine from foreign influence. that letter along with the "washington post" reporting tieing it to the ukraine

national security analyst and former assistant secretary for the department of homeland security juliette kayyemth us this hour from west newtown in massachusetts. juliette, here we go again, huh? >> yeah. >> not all mass shootings are created equal. the mass shootings in el paso, texas four weeks ago, that one appeared to be born of a white nationalist with hatred for minorities, in particular latinos. this shooting spree began after a traffic stop. and that is a crucial difference here it seems in trying to piece together exactly what happened and why and this question about motive. >> right. and motive and motivation and mental illness and all these issues that come up in every shooting are relevant. we want to know who this man was, why was he pulled over, why was his reaction not only to kill pleefsers but of course to go on this rampage. all very important. but if you just put the summer of you and i being on late at night on saturday nights together, the common theme is obviously the accessibility of weapons that can kill lots of people very quick ly. we tend to have a reaction to say el

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. >>> joining us to discuss this, cnn legal analyst and juliette kayyem. asha, i want to begin with you. you had an informative twitter thread yesterday which helped explain a lot to me about the background here. first you note this was a trump appointee. second of all, by definition it has to be urgent which means it's not a policy disagreement. it has to be something which relates to national security and, therefore, outside the president's constitutional powers to make foreign policy at his will in effect. so knowing that that's the law, explain what that tells us about the seriousness of this complaint. >> yes, when the complaint concerns the president's interactions with another head of state or foreign leader, the bar for it to pass, to be an urgent concern under the definition that's laid out in the statute is very high. and this is because the president has incredibly wide latitude in conducting foreign affairs and in negotiating with world leaders. so as you said, jim, this can't simply be, you know, bad policy or unwise policy or some kind of obj

understand the reasoning on notoriety, but we had a law enforcement expert on earlier, juliet juliette kayyem there is a need to know so people are clear about who it was, what the motivation was, and how that kind of knowledge helps you identify anybody else's potential out there and it can be potentially damaging when you don't reveal enough about a gunman. >> yeah. exactly. that may be the point. right now the fbi and postal inspector police are part of this investigation moving forward, one being federal. unfortunately a federal postal office worker lost her life. on top of that, they're looking diligently at every turn right now to not only understand and identify co-conspirators and any information they may have had at the time. this event is not one of your typical shooter events we're so used to unfortunately in this country. what has happen and what we're used to is a confined location where the offender has some type of fortified grievous toward a location or brand and to execute that retribution toward that and manifest it in violence. what's scary in this and watching the coverage

so let's bring in juliette kayyem, susan hennessy, and max boot.ax boot is the author of the corrosion of conservatism, why i left the right. good evening, everyone. so, max, this apparently -- a whiesle blower, a foreign leader and they made this sort of promise that prompted an official to make a complaint that it was so egregious that they had to make this complaint. is this a big deal? what's going on here? >> well, it's pretty clearly a big deal, don. i've never heard of anything quite like this. of course with this administration, you can say that almost every day, that you've never heard anything quite like this. but this is truly off the charts. the fact is that this was leaked to my colleagues at "the washington post" indicates that somebody is really worried about what's going on and is potentially willing to risk a jail sentence to get the truth out to the american people. i mean that's pretty significant. there's also the issue of how joe mcguire, the director of national intelligence, is handling this whistle-blower complaint, which he

juliette kayyem is joining me now, thank you so much.mer assistant secretary for the homeland security department. as i was just talking to ryan, we actually got new information that a neighbor tells cnn last -- that last month the gunman threatened her with a rifle because she put trash in a dumpster? she says he would often shoot into his backyard from a structure on top of his house and go retrieve dead animals. she said that he called police and they didn't show up because his house was not on gps. again, this is all according to this neighbor, but your reaction to those new details. >> i think this is going to be inevitable at this stage. i was on earlier pretty critical of the local press conference with the governor just because i think it's an opportunity to present facts for the public about who he is and what they know so far. so what we're going to probably start to hear is the story much more complicated than this guy woke up one day and decided to shoot a bunch of people. they're always much more complicated than that story.

juliette kayyem is here, brian stelter, max boot, the author of the corrosion of conservativeco why ie right. good evening, everyone. the post is reporting that is the tpt who used a black sharpie on the noaa map. is that your shocked face? >> i confess with any other president i would be shocked. with this one, hardly surprising. but this has to be the most absurd episode yet in the most absurd presidency we've ever had. i mean with any other president, you would think this is a "saturday night live" skit. you couldn't believe it's real. with this guy, it actually is real, and this is just a sign, don, of how the president is focused on trivialities. we have real problems. there are real people being affected by -- >> that's what your column is about today. >> exactly. my column is pointing out there's a crisis going on between japan and south korea that trump is ignoring, but you can repeat that endlessly. there's iran, north korea, climate change, gun violence, a slowing economy. we have real serious problems, and the president instead is fixated on his fragile ego and creating thi