more perspective from juliette kayyem, former assistant director of homeland security. ras' report. rise of the moors, to what extent have been this one on authorities' radar? >> they've been very little on anyone's radar. they're a known group, they've been around since the 1970s, 1980s. they've been more known for something we call paper terrorism. they terrorize people or governments or individuals by filing frivolous lawsuits, going after liens on properties, that sort of thing. in the last year, we've seen a lot more violent behavior. they've been trying to sort of gain property or hold on to property that they trespass on. but nothing like what we saw this weekend. so that is new. and i think that is part of this narrative of everything just keeps racheting up at this stage, becoming closer to violence than normal free speech, let's just say. >> what does it say to you that it did end safely? look at wakefield, i-95, we've played soccer in wakefield. >> exactly. >> this could have gone a whole lot worse. the fact that it did end relatively peacefully, what does tha