see over the next few days if any information along those line comes back. >> let's bring back juliette kayyem into the conversation, as well. juliette, it's the what next piece that plays out. the initial response is to get there and assess the situation and help those who have been hurt or injured. now, the question of, how much of this shoe leather police work and how much of it is technology? >> it will be a combination of all of them. i want to try to put some of the pieces together, because i was -- i thought one of the statements at the end of the press conference confused a lot of the narrative. the police department comes out and says, they're not investigating it as terrorism. and as importantly, they say, there's no continuing threat. what that would say to me is that they have a sense of who it is and they know who that person is for reasons unrelated to terrorism. because they came out super early saying that, about 20 minutes later, at the very end, they say, they're not ruling out terrorism. i think that's right. you wouldn't want to rule it out. but it does tell me that from th

. >> juliette kayyem is a cnn national security analyst, and she joins me now from cambridge, massachusetts. always good to have you with us. >> thank you for having me tonight. >> so juliette, a manhunt is under way for 62-year-old frank james who police call a person of interest, not a suspect. despite his photograph fitting the exact description of the brooklyn subway shooting suspect, police are asking for help from the public. so what does all this tell you? >> it does seem complicated. so let me try to explain it as sort of the police talk that most americans saw happening today. there is a reason why they did not call mr. james a suspect is they might have reason to believe that there might be others involved, possibly a third party, or a third person, but also that they want to protect the prosecution, which is going to follow. so if they call him a suspect already, that case might fall apart. then they find someone different. they're going muddy up what should be a clear-cut case. so it seemed really confusing that we have a person of interest and a suspect, and we don't know wheth

. >> i want to bring in juliette kayyem now. she is a cnn national security analyst. she was also a homeland security official during the obama administration. always great to have you with us. >> thank you for having me, again. >> so, since we last spoke, the brooklyn subway shooting suspect, frank james, has been arrested. calling in the tip himself that led to his capture, so what happens next? and how did police determine a motive for this shooting? >> the motive is going to be the more important part because they have him. he's -- you know, he is now in custody. this is gonna be a familiar, typical criminal indictment and then a case. so, it will look very familiar. the more interesting piece in play right now is what they're gonna indict him with. as we heard today in the press conference with the nypd, they are gonna bring what's called terrorism charges. it's under the patriot act. this is the post-9/11 statute created. and it -- it -- it permits a federal indictment against someone who uses terrorism or other forms of violence to disrupt mass transit. and wha

. >>> juliette kayyem is a cnn national security analyst and former u.s. homeland security official under the obama administration. and i spoke with her earlier and asked her to weigh in on what comes next with the subway shooting investigation. >> is going to be the more important part. he now in custody. this is going to be a familiar typical criminal indictment, and then a case. i said well, it will look very familiar. the more interesting piece in play is what they're going to indict him with. as we heard in the press conference with the nypd, they are going to bring what's called terrorism charges. it's under the patriot act. this is the post-9/11 statute created. and it permits a federal indictment against someone who uses terrorism or other forms of violence to disrupt mass transit. and what we don't know yet, and i think that the nypd has to be clearer about this, what we don't know yet is was there a political or other form of terrorism, moeflgts, or is this someone with a lot of mental issues or other issues that led him to violence. and those ar

juliette kayyem, hopefully that's an interesting doorbell and not an alarm.s. >> it's testing my calmness. thanks so much. see you later. >> stay safe. thank you so much. >>> all right, a critical vote on capitol hill tomorrow to advance the confirmation of judge ketanji brown jackson to the u.s. supreme court. we're live on the hill, next. i don't just play someone brainy on tv - i'm an actual neuroscientist. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuriva plusuels six key indicators of brain performance. more brain performance? neuriva. think bigger. yes, please! ♪simply irresistible♪ ♪ ♪ ♪simply irresistible♪ applebee's irresist-a-bowls are back. now starting at $8.99. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. [upbeat music playing] ♪ welcome to home sweet weathertech home. a place where dirt stays outside. and floors are protected. where standing is comfortable. and water never leaves a mark. it's spotless under the sink. and kids can be kids. order your american made products at weathertech.com. >>> the senate ju

miles: juliette kayyem and is a former assistant secretary of the department of homeland security. : people are making decisions about where they want to attack, or where are the russian tanks, or what are we seeing in the skies, based on the guy or the woman on the street with an iphone. we have never seen anything like that. miles: before the advent of this technological revolution, open-source intelligence was limited primarily to professionals collecting and translating foreign media reports. heather: now we are sort of seeing how david can weaponize his cell phone against goliath. miles: heather williams is a former intelligence analyst now at the rand corporation. heather: there may be times where goliath learns how to fight back against that. but, right now, we are seeing a lot of savvy on the part of the ukrainian people and on the ukrainian government on how to use some of these different tools to their advantage. miles: all of these points of data might help clear the fog of war. the challenge is piecing it all together quickly and accurately. open-source intelligence is n