i want to turn to josh campbell and juliette kayyem. passing the white cargo van? it looked like they were perhaps trying to scan the inside of the vehicle? maybe i have seen too many movies but trying to determine if the person in that van is moving anymore. >> reporter: this is the information gathering phase right now. as mentioned earlier there appears to be no threat from the individual inside the vehicle maybe because they took their life. but as you see that third bear cat come alongside gathering information. visually. technical measures that police can use in order to detect whether there's a person inside. there is also a police drone that is flown above the van and a uniform officer in the back of the rear of that baear cat controlling the drone. we saw him step out and then go back inside the vehicle. basically targeting the van with every possible means to gather information to determine if there's a threat inside the van. i can tell you if you were dealing with an armed and dangerous suspect with police roll up alongside y

too juliette kayyem many juliette kayyem juliette kayyem passengers arriving at airports. communicated faster. the good news is that even a system this complicated was able to get back up and running within 90 minutes. and airplanes -- i got delayed in the end just an hour and ten minutes. and i had a flight at the key time. >> what is the corrupt file about? what is this mean? this glitch there talking about in the notam system? >> we are told they found a corrupted filing the database of the main notam system. seriously, they also found a corrupted vial in the backup system. so the question is, what kind of system are we talking about? how old is the system? how well maintained is it? is it capable of keeping up with the incredible demands that we put on our aviation system. >> wait, this corrupt file mean something the various? or it could be something like a benign glitch. >> it could really go either way. i'm glad the administration's couch in the references to cybercrimes as, we have no indication at this time of a cyberattack. i think it is a little bit early to be

joining us now, juliette kayyem and charles ramsey is back with us, cnn senior law enforcement analyst. juliette, you've been with us all afternoon. you know, this press conference comes up at 7:30 -- excuse me, 7:30 here on the east coast, 4:30 on the west coast. there's a lot of questions that need to be answered. first of all, we need to definitively hear from authorities whether or not the deceased individual in the driver's seat of that white cargo van that you're seeing some helicopter footage from kabc earlier this afternoon, whether the driver of that van is indeed the suspect. i assume that we are going to find out when this press conference happens in about 75 minutes from now, we'll get an answer to that question. >> yes, let's hope so. because otherwise, they're still on a manhunt. i'm just going to basically assume from the silence, right, they're not still asking for information, they're starting to open up the communities, the streets are starting to open, things are getting back to normal to the extent that you can call it that, the day after such a massacre, that they

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cnn national security analyst juliette kayyem joins us.rs involved were fired not long after, charged with murder and other crimes and the video gets released. it is not always like this. why? >> no. look, this was rightfully choreographed. unfortunately, because we have a lot of experience, not just in police misconduct but in some of the unrest that occurs after, when most people just want to focus on peaceful and rightful and righteous protest. first of all, of course the nichols family was just remarkable. and we just can't -- i cannot say it enough. their words and their spirit and what that i think did for the community. but as you were saying, for a police department to take swift action before they're forced, so often they seem so reluctant to do it. the memphis police fired the five police officers before the visuals. in other words, they looked like they were ahead and that they were ready to fire these cops before the public compelled them to. two other factors seem different. one of course was the consistent message that this w

let's talk about it now with juliette kayyem and andrew mccabe. concerning, not just from a consumer traveler perspective, but the idea of what is your reaction to the fact that this even happened? >> right. well, you're talking to two people who are here, but we had flights today so we were from the front lines, as we say we were both delayed but got here. this is serious in the sense -- we have not had a nationwide grounding since 9/11, so this does not happen often. you do not close down the airport system. and this wasn't just any system that broke down. it's called the notam system, it's notice to the pilots of what's going on on the ground, is there something on the runway, is there a disruption at the airport, and it's communicating with the pilots. so without it, you have no communication with the pilots. so to call it a system didn't work. it's actually a very relevant system. it's a safety and security system. so none of it is good. the faa i will say took too long to tell us what was going on. they knew from yesterday midday there were

juliette kayyem, thank you so much. we'll check back as we learn more, as well. >>> now to ukraine where military officials say russian troops are not relenting in their attacks on ukrainian positions in the bakhmut area. fighting there has raged for months, and ukrainian officials estimate only 10% of the prewar population remains. cnn's ben wedeman is there. ben, russia has claimed victory in that area, but the fighting continues. where do things stand? >> reporter: yeah, the russians have claimed that they've taken the counsel and by what we've seen that seems to be the case. now they're trying to encircle bakhmut. we were just there yesterday, and what we saw and heard was that the fighting is intense, and that intense fighting is leaving its marks on the troops. they've been through the valley of the shadow of death. most but not all made it out of the valley alive, but not unscathed. on this stretch of road overlooking the battles for bakhmut and soledad it's just safe enough to deliver the wounded to medics. stre

joining me now, cnn national security analyst, juliette kayyem, cnn louis legal analyst, elliott williamsple, last summer, the supreme court struck down the original new york conceal and carry law. now it's being changed again, house is gonna play out? >> look, they put a new law in place in effect following the supreme court's decision that, number one, it restricts for a few folks can have a firearms in sensitive locations, churches, schools, parks and so on. number two, sets up a permanent scheme in order to get a gun in the first place. these are the steps have to go through, these are both a little bit controversial only in so far as the supreme court cracked open the door last summer saying, these things might work in some ways, but we're not gonna tell you exactly what's going to be okay. this is going back to the supreme court, i think it's hard to see how there's not gonna be another >> from a law enforcement perspective, if there is a challenge of not being able to ascertain a threat and evaluate one, if everyone is able to, that poses a threat, right? >> law enforcement, the id

. >> juliette kayyem also with me, of course, former homeland security. ere's a point where they're standing around while he's just prone, talking about how this happened. he's swerving, just sort of a casual conversation, as if they're just hanging out at a coffee shop. >> that's exactly right. and there's almost nothing that i think that we can analyze about what the situation is showing us, except for what -- the horror that we're all feeling. so just taking a step back and just looking at the possibility that we get better because of this, and as we heard from the city councilman, a lot of reckoning that needs to be done. so what i saw from the national perspective is, there absolutely has to now be a, basically a duty to intervene. and we cannot let police departments whatever level, sergeant, whatever it is, there has to be just a basic duty to intervene. i think the second is of course, these specialized units. you know, this one is called scorpion. it's an acronym. i have come to believe that all of these guys give these names to themselves and the

also with me, cnn national security analyst, juliette kayyem.ng and clutching her body. and you saw that she was bleeding. and you helped or provide some kind of first aid. what was going through your mind? what did you think happened? >> at that point, we knew that the teacher had been shot. and we knew that someone had been shot because another school official came into the office where i was -- my grandson and let us know that there was a shooting in at someone had been shot, of course. within a few minutes, ms. is warner, came into the office, holding her hand, and stating that she had been shot and to call 9-1-1. at that point she laid out on the floor and she was in a lot of distress. she was scared. it was very scary. we did not know what to do and i did not know exactly what to do. so, someone just she yelled, put pressure on her wound. and at that, point she was in the floor, and i did that. >> oh, my god. the -- obviously for her and for you trying to piece everything together. what have you made of the school's reaction and response?

security expert juliette kayyem penned in a recent article, that advice may be dated. >> run if you cant we have seen is engagement with the shooter, trying to distract him, trying to demoibilize him, trying to prevent him from reloading his gun, all of those things can help in minimizing the harm. >> 50% of active shooter events end before law enforcement get there. it doesn't even matter how much we train for these active events, but it matters a lot on how we train our civilians. >> reporter: franklin county sheriffs deputy mike featherall has adopted a different way of teaching his community on what to do in an active shooter situation. >> you teach avoid, deny, defend. >> correct. >> reporter: how is that different from run, hide, fight? >> hide, that's the big part that is different is people go around looking for targets, and when you have a hero step up, it saves all of those targets from being potential victims. >> reporter: experts recognize fighting back hasn't always worked. in 2019, a north carolina college student charged a gunman and died. a week later, a colorado high sc

security expert juliette kayyem penned in a recent article that advice may be dated. >> run, if you can what we've seen is that engagement with the shooter, trying to distract him, trying to demobilize him, trying to prevent him from reloading his gun, all of those things can help in minimizing the harm. >> 50% of active shooter events end before law enforcement get there. it doesn't even matter how much we train for these active events, but it matters a lot on how we train our civilians. >> reporter: franklin county sheriff's deputy has already adopted a different way of teaching his community on what to do in an active shooter situation. you teach avoid, deny, defend. >> correct. >> how is that different from run, hide, fight? >> hide, that's the big part that is different. these people go around looking for targets. when you have a hero step up it saves all of those targets from being potential victims. >> reporter: experts recognize fighting back hasn't always worked. in 2019 a north carolina college student charged a gunman and died, a week later a colorado high school student met

. >>> meantime i have cnn law enforcement analyst juliette kayyem and andrew mccabe. andrew, let me start with you, a former fbi official and somebody on the ground in situations like this. what are you looking for aside from the obvious which is the suspect? >> so, obviously that's your first priority, to identify this person and locate them to ensure there's not a continuing danger to the community. sounds like an incredibly chaotic scene, lots and lots of people. police earlier today described showing up at the scene and there were literally they said pouring out of the front doors. it was hard to get inside and see the victims, to identify the first round of victims. obviously you want to begin by conducting as many witness interviews as you can possibly do as fast as you possibly can. so it is likely that the sheriff's department seems to have the kind of jurisdictional control here. we'll bring in as many folks as they can to do that. they'll rely on the help of partners like other police agencies, fbi, federal agencies to talk to as many people as you can. some