and juliette kayyem, i just wanna bring up this point with you very quickly.s news conference, which hopefully will take place in a few minutes. but then when i get the information right at this point. i know there is an imperative, if this is the suspect, and if this is over, they want people to know that. on the other hand, they need to be sure. >> yeah. absolutely. they have time on their side. the suspect is either dead or getting cpr. they have the campus under control. they've gotta get this right for a variety of reasons. of course, there are three dead, members of the university community. and they gotta notify next of kin. they got students all about the campus, either locked in. or as shawn was saying, out in the cold, waiting out there. running, leaving their stuff behind. so, they want to close this well. because of course, the students want to go back. the schools gonna be closed for two days, for up to two days, so the students have to find places to go. if they don't have places to go. and parents, of course, as we've been saying, parents are su

for more on this, i'm joined now by cnn national security analyst juliette kayyem. this truly tragic time. >> yeah, thank you for having me. >> so, we're looking at another deadly mass shooting in this country. the 68th since the start of the year. , this time at michigan state university. and yet, we're not seeing saturation coverage of this shooting. perhaps a sad sign that these deadly incidents have become a pretty normal part of american life. what needs to be done to stop these massacres happening again and again? >> well, we start with the obvious, of course, which is not simply gun ownership or the types of guns that are owned. and the debates that you're seeing here about assault rifle bans or other focusing on specific weapons. so, that's the obvious. then it is who or the age of the person who's trying to get access to these guns. although in the msu case, the perpetrator was older. in many of these cases it is younger males. so, do we want to put restrictions on their ability to purchase guns, as some states have done? but then obviously it gets to a cul

and last and national security analyst shawn turner, and cnn's juliette kayyem.ll for being with us. let's start with, you shimon. bring us up to speed. what did we know about how this all played out? >> john, about five hours or so, around, as you said, 20 after eight, there was a first call of shots fired and what we've learned from police is that they went from that one location at one of the areas, berkey, that building that the gunmen then went to a second building a union hall where he shot and killed one victim, two others were killed at berkey. so, that is three dead. and then, five are in the hospital. some are with life-threatening injuries. and then, after the incident, police, a short time after that released a photo of who they believed was a con man. and then, sometime after that is when they encountered him, the police officers encountered him and the gunman shot himself according to police so now the whole thing is underway to try and identify him, to try and figure out exactly who he is, and he has, whether he has any affiliation to the campus. s

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air force colonel, cedric layton and cnn's national security analyst, juliette kayyem.ht, colonel, thank you for being with us. what is your reaction to this? >> well, this is really interesting. arlette's reporting has really piqued my interest, because what you're seeing here is something that we -- i don't think we've seen before. an octagonal object. so i don't know if that's a payload or if that's actually the balloon or the propulsion system or, you know, something else like that. so we don't have very many details, but these are the kinds of questions that we definitely have to be asking. and then the other thing that i thought was interesting from this octagonal object, we have strings coming out, strings could be all kinds of things, but i'm looking at the possibility of those strings being an ttennas of one type or another either for receiving or transmitting information. that's the kind of stuff we have to analyze. we have to have the d.o.d. and other forensic analysts analyze this and really take a look at this system actually is, how it connects with the ot

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former deputy director of the fbi, andrew mccray, and juliette ka kayyem. there's a lot we don't know, but here, anthony mcrae, in 2019, arrested, charged with a felony for carrying a concealed weapon. he pleaded to a misdemeanor and once his probation was up, his probation ended in may 2021. so he had a gun charge on his record. may 2021, probation ends, then you hear his sister calling him isolated. his father calling him evil angry after his mother died. why is the system still unable to connect this piece of information with this piece of information and say this man should not have a gun? >> sure, so it comes down to those regulations that are enshrined in the brady act of 1993. that sets the parameters for how background checks are done for gun purposes. michigan is one of most states that relies on the fbi to conduct those background checks. in this case, on the facts that we know from the reporting about this man, the arrest for felony gun possession had they convicted him of felony gun possession, might have prevented him from ever legally purchasi