and cnn national security analyst juliette kayyem. thank you both for being.e simone, i feel like killing someone is incredibly rare. >> yes, it's incredibly rare, they prepare for this and it's clear they did prepare for this really heavily. because they were expecting, perhaps, to meet some kind of resistance. so this really all begins several months ago. but it heats up on monday when this individual, greg robertson, tweets, or not tweets, i should say he posts on facebook that the president is coming to utah and that it is time for him to take action, talks about his weapon, talks about what he is gonna wear. and what happens is the fbi says, okay, we need to go, when we need to take him down, this is a threat, the president is coming here, he is talking about, killing the president. so they go into really full action. they devise a plan and they go in. they put this plan together. earlier this morning, you ow, while they are suiting, up and putting on all of their, gear getting ready to go after him, the president is planning to his trip to utah. they go,

nick valencia and juliette kayyem with us as well.andy, let's be clear, we have the governor talking about a shooting, talking about a shooter. this as we know the school is in lockdown. students are being told to shelter in place. all classes have been canceled for the day. and yet police are not saying shooter or shooting, they are saying an armed and dangerous person is on or near campus. can you explain to us just the difference there in language and what that amounts to? andy, do we have you with us? >> can you hear me? >> yes, we got you. take it away. >> no worries. so at this point that sort of language discrepancy could be based on what the police actually know from witnesses who led to this realization that they have a threat. so if you have witnesses telling you for instance you have someone walking around campus who is heavily armed, they would refer to that as an armed and dangerous individual. so you may not have witnesses who have actually seen a shooting take place, it may also mean that police have not identified a vi

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juliette kayyem of homeland security, special agent with the fbi, ed davis, former police commissioner of boston, and charles ramsey, former philadelphia police commissioner. chief ramsey, you know, you and i have talked about this so many tips. what are your thoughts after what we heard from the sheriff in the last half-hour or so? it is just outrageous what took place in that community today. by the same token, it is also quit predictable. >> we've seen it happen before and we'll see it happen again, unfortunately. right now there is a lot of hate in this country and there's a lot of rhetoric that stokes those flames. and people need to be careful with their words. that doesn't mean this particular individual would not have done it anyway. he had a lot of hatred built up in i am. his own parents contacted the sheriff when they found this on the computer. we have to get a handle on this hatred but also the kind of guns we have in the community. another assault weapon used. a semi-automatic weapon used. you can kill a lot of people in a short period of time. we have to get a handle on