down range. >> i'm not sure what shot he wanted to get from that gopro, but the fact that and juliette kayyem and had mentioned the christ church shooter who livestreamed obviously hamas terrorists using documenting and even live streaming. some of their terrorism on october 7. the idea that he had the presence of mind to take time to actually set up that go pro in addition to building that shield front of him is interesting. can you explain the different shows in protecting a sitting president versus a 40 president and a presidential candidate. >> well, anderson, i think that the labels have to be eliminated here by the secret service of like what differentiates this person from that person based upon their political role, we have to really look at the environment now from a threat-based methodology, because donald trump does not fit the former president model not barack obama is up. president bush or clinton, right? his threat environment is drastically different, both from domestic actors and the overarching threat from iran. so that is something that is unprecedented with a former preside

john miller, juliette kayyem. thanks to both view. we are just getting word that president biden is speaking about this this morning. we will bring that to you as soon as that video comes in. sara. all right lawmakers on capitol hill are demanding answers as new details have emerged about the apparent second assassination attempt on donald trump we'll talk more about that. and it looks like there's bad blood between donald trump and taylor swift. and right now, the first public hearing on the catastrophic tightened merciful implosion is underway. what we are learning more than a year after that tragic mission have i got news for you? >> a pretty odd about what are the kinds we're not the news before then would never happen if i got news for you saturday at nine on cnn and streaming next day on max. >> you'll find them in cities, towns, and suburbs, all across america millions of americans who have medicare and medicaid, but maybe missing benefits they could really use extra benefits. they may be eligible to receive at no extra cost. a

to we're going to go on till dark tonight joining us now cnn, senior national security analyst juliette kayyem. >> juliette, i know you were with us last night as this was all unfolding. now we're getting a little bit more information. this would be the second night of searching in the woods for the suspect clearly, they don't think it's worth it to try to search once it gets dark, what kind of hurdles are they facing right now a part of it is just going to be the sort of productivity that can occur in the dark is quite limited. >> and so they're probably, they're just balancing the benefits of that continuing this as compared to just suspending it for 67 hours and then starting again in the morning. look, it is much harder to hide for long periods of time than it was during the unabomber asia, we have drones, we have signal intelligence, people have cell phones, they get hungry it is hard to hi doubt for long periods of time unless it was planned for and so part of this is just patients. i remind people in maine during that mass shooting that the perpetrator went missing for over 48 hours. he

schermerhorn and teacher cristina at your emea joining us now is cnn senior national security analyst, juliette kayyem. juliette, thank you so much for joining us. juliette. what stuck out to you. and hearing those 911 calls. and the law enforcement radio traffic so what struck me how lucky the school was to have sort of in-person in residents, security officials who who basically ended what would have been a much greater slaughter mass murder then we saw the four is enough. >> but he clearly had the ammunition. he had the capacity and he would have had the time. >> but for him being essentially isolated and then surrendering because of the high school security officials. >> so that's the first thing in the second is just, you know, when we do the comparative of these mass shootings, what can we learn? it's just how quickly they were getting the information out, wondering what was happening was the site clear? could they get the other kids out? and that's important information because during mass shooting, time is really time is so short. so the runway is so short. it was as we say, that you want to h

juliette kayyem is a cnn senior national security analyst and former assistant secretary of the departmentf homeland defense and joins us now, live. thanks so much for your time tonight. juliette of course, we know a mass shootings very common here in the u.s. this one happened on an interstate. how unusual is that? and what could that tell you about a possible motive? >> so it's it has happened before, but it is unusual. most of the time when we see mass shootings or active shooters, there's either a theater or there's a large accessible crowd as school of theater a bar, because the person presumably wants to have a mass casualty event. this kind of behavior essentially going after cars is intended for two things. one is of course, to go after a particular target individuals drivers, or passengers. but also too, in some ways witness the response which is cars out of control, crop cars trying to the noise we have testimonials about people hearing noises and wanting to get out of the way and so there's a certain i would say performative aspect to it because it happened in the daytime. i thi

i'm joined by cnn senior national security analyst, juliette kayyem. she's also a former assistant secretary at the department of homeland security. and a harvard professor, juliette lovely to see you. we are just learning that the secret service did not search the golf course perimeter. does that not appear to be a massive oversight it does if they had had enough notice that trump was going to play golf. >> and so this is where the complication arises, is that in most instances, the protectee either has a known schedule is not impromptu or is not as much of a of a potential risk as donald trump is look, most former president say they go to the ranch's, they go play golf, but their schedules are a pretty well-known trump is not only a former president is, of course, the presidential nominee and so what we know now, to be careful is that this was a more, this was a spontaneous golf outing. they're not uncommon, and that therefore, what the secret service was able to do is at least secure the area around him and then have the kind of patrols around the op

i have juliette kayyem and charles ramsey with me. juliette and some of those photos you see the sunsetting. it is certainly night here on the east coast what does that mean in terms of there, their law enforcement's efforts? on the scene, there that's a great point. >> i was i was curious is just based on my own unfortunate experience, just like chief ramsey on comment on all of these of of a sniper, if it is a sniper working in day daytime, it's not it's not unheard of the two theories of what could be happening now a sort of road rage incident that got out of hand and is now impacting both sides of the interstate or purposeful sniper who is look targeting random victims. the day time assault of it is is unique, but it also means though fortunately that there were eyewitnesses, people would have been able to see if this person was in a car where they were they were they on the sides? did they ron, did they jump into another car? so that's the good news. but now of course is daytime comes as nighttime crimes, excuse me. there's going

to another highway in another state even yeah, the randomness poses its own type in this case, juliette kayyem, great to see you. hopefully this result safely in the next few hours. thank you. >> yes, sir. >> all right. this morning, students at apalachee high school gathered with staff and relatives of the victims at a makeshift memorial at the school today. they will be allowed to recover their belongings left inside after last week's school shooting there too soon students and two teachers were suspected teenage gunman opened fire in school we are also learning new details this morning about how the suspect's mother tried to warn the school of what she called a quote extreme emergency just before the attack unfolded, cnn's rafael romo is in winder, georgia for us. tell us about how his mom figured out what was he's going on and then tried to get in touch with the school yes. >> sara, good morning. the family of the 14-year-old suspect has confirmed to cnn the boys mother called to warn a school counselor, just be for her son allegedly went on a shooting rampage that killed two of his classm

bring in just a few more focused and you'll brunner, a retired fbi supervisory special agent, juliette kayyem is a cnn senior national security analyst juliette, let me just start off with you just in terms of there's a lot we do not know i mean, i think in a situation like that, there's what we know and what we don't know. can you just tick off the things which we don't know at this stage, which obviously investigators will be trying to find out. top of the list okay, so we'll start with motive. >> obviously we're trying to determine it, but he he he lived out loud. so presumably through social media and colleagues and others, we will determine that or two, we don't know right now now how he determined that today would possibly be available to him to do this assassination. i'm looking at what i see now he's he made a mistake, but he was not unsophisticated. this is a very sophisticated attempted assassination. he's got defensive gear, he's got the gopro. he wanted this to be a performative assassination so how did he know and how did he acquire that knowledge where trump was? >> then then th

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out of the fits and immediately engaged that individual at which time the individual took off juliette kayyem is with me or national security analyst steve moore from the fbi, and charles ramsey, formally of the washington dc police. >> and of course, police commissioner in philadelphia. so thanks very much to all of you. so chief ramsey, when you hear the sheriff, they're going through what they saw. the fifth there and constant in contact with the secret service, you know, what, what did you hear when you heard his presentation there on the national stage today well, i mean, there's a great deal of coordination that took place in this particular case, and that's not unusual. >> you know, there is good cooperation between the federal agencies and local and so forth. and that was critically important. but the most important thing of all, i believe was that witness that happened to see that individual lead the bushes, get in the car and had the presence of mind to take a photograph of the of the suv and the license tag what that allowed her police to do was quickly run that tag, put out a bolo

thanks so much joining us now cnn, national security analyst, senior national security analyst, juliette kayyemer assistant secretary at the department of homeland security currently professor at harvard. >> we're also joined by cnn senior law enforcement analyst, charles family. he ramsey led police forces in philadelphia and here in washington. good to have you both on this evening. at a serious evening. i want to begin if i can, juliette with the security around the president, the former president in a situation like this, it's a golf course. has randi kaye was saying there there is no wall around it. they did have as police described agents ahead of him creating some sort of buffer zone or coordinate around him. and yet, you have a man was able to get on the course and get within as i understand it, 250, 300 yards. i mean short of shutting down a mile radius around trump wherever he goes was this a proper a proper properly sized coordinate as it were around the former president well the proof is in the pudding. >> obviously wasn't that the threats that are surrounding donald trump right now

let's bring in cnn's zach cohen along with juliette kayyem. she is a former assistant secretary at the department terrebonne of homeland security, in a cnn senior national security analyst. we're also joined by bobbie ceccon. he is a retired fbi agent and zach, first you this idea of complacency as a root cause this, of what transpired on july 13th, both ahead of the event and during the event. >> i mean, it was rehnquist shocking to hear the man who is now the acting director of the secret service say that the force that is charged with protecting both the sitting president and donald trump, the former president, and potentially the future president the reason for these security failures that almost got donald trump killed was complacency. the fact that lulled into a false its security that things were missed. protocol was breached because of complacency and frankly, that does line up with what he detailed afterwards he went through a series of failures that led up in the days leading up to july 13, and then also on the day of july 13, that u

disaster, had the president come close enough to be within sight of that, of that would be assassin juliette kayyem. >> we don't have the exact distance from the shooter to the former president either way, we have a range of 300 to 500 yards, which with a scope, of course, is that can be that can be shot. we all we all understand that but what does that mean to you, julia, that this was close enough from the perspective of knows what they're doing with a scope and a gun can shoot and succeed at hitting their target from that distance. and that's a distance we're talking about when we're just trying to understand here how close this actually came to happening we're also assuming that at the moment that the secret service the moment that he intended on shooting trump because we don't know if trump would have gotten closer to him just given the layout, if you look at the layout in terms it's a where he was. so the engagement may have happened at a time when he was further from trump than he then they assassin essentially intended in that regardless, it's all too close, it shows the challenges of setti