let me introduce my colleague, julio escobar. lio, is your title director of the office of restorative justice?>> yeah, i coordinate the ministry. named restorative justice. >> you work at the central office? >> you told me a couple of things, one is that you are -- your mtrrestorative justice is called ministry, you don't call it an office, bureau, program. the second thing you insisted on informing me about was it is a ministry of presence. so come help us understand those two things. >> well, when i say presence, i mean not we need to be present. present when we meet people, whether it is an offender or whether it is a victim, we need to be present and be accompanying the families in the process of their journey in recovery, whether they are in prison or jail or whether it is a person that has lost a family member in violence. >> as i looked at what you do and your mission statement, we will get into that, it does seem that you acknowledge that there is a relationship between the offender and the victim. may be that relationshi