>> exactly. >> reporter: detective julissa trapp wanted to speak with both men, of course.no lawyered up, so she tried gordon still in a wheelchair after his bike accident. >> hi, steven, how are you? and i knew this was going to be a lot different than any other interview i had done. he's cunning, manipulative. >> reporter: he didn't have to talk to you? >> he did not have to talk to me. >> are you cold? >> if you don't mind. >> reporter: but detective trapp has a way as they say. you acted compassionate. you were kind to him. you brought him a blanket, food. >> yes, we actually shared two meals together. >> it is spicy. >> i told you, i told you, be careful. >> reporter: even so, gordon was reluctant at first. >> i got nausea. >> would you rather talk to anybody else? >> i don't want to talk to anybody. >> he watched me very carefully, if i swallowed too hard, if i looked at him differently, he would say, what's wrong? >> you had a weird look on your face when i said, where, why? >> he was constantly trying to keep a poker face to continue to elicit information from him a