julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. a, south africans are facing a very grave economic crisis. there's deep uncertainty in the country. why are you adding to that uncertainty by calling for the removal of president ramaphosa? it's the most logical thing that, when a leader of a current government doesn't perform well, or the country is in a crisis, that leader should leave office and give others an opportunity who can come and do a much better work. because i don't think that mr ramaphosa has got a coherent plan as to how he'll save south africa. but that's not the way democracy works, mr malema. mr ramaphosa has a mandate given to him by the south african people. and, indeed, if you look at the business community, if we're talking about the economy, it seems business leaders think that removing ramaphosa would actually make south africa's situation worse. no, democracy works like that. that's why our constitution provides for the resignation of the president, or impeachment, or a motion of no—confidence. so the democrac

my guest today is julius malema, a former anc loyalist—turned—populist enemy of the ruling party.