julius malema, welcome to hardtalk. thank you. thank you very much. it's a pleasure to talk to you, mr malema. we are speaking as south africa is in the middle of an energy crisis. it seems set to get worse. what do you think it is doing to this country? well, its aim is to collapse this country and undermine the democratic project, because those in power have relegated their responsibilities, to who, we don't know. they have not maintained the power stations. they have not built the new ones that are functional. and as a result, we are where we are. the interim ceo of eskom, the state—owned energy company, said yesterday that over the coming months of winter they might get to a stage eight situation, which means there could be power cuts for pretty much 12 or more hours per day. but you have gone further. you have said that you think the grid will collapse. in fact, you said south africa is going to be plunged into darkness within two weeks. why are you exaggerating? i'm not exaggerating. i said this before they told you there was a stage eight coming