one is that julius peppers didn't only play football, he was a gifted academically he played basketball as well. >> quite a scandal. >> and other specific you may or nine may not be able to respond to but i can remember were shod announcing the end of us will program was like being in prison. i'm curious whether his transcripts have ever been public information because he's one of the few players that's been made allegations and been vocal about his experience and there have been denial and coaches quote him as not lying but he was just wrong. i guess there's a fine distinction there, but is there anything public about were shod mccanns actual transcripts? >> his transcripts were shown on espn outside the line. so they have been made public. so we have all now seen his transcripts, and he is telling the truth that he did take for paper classes and was on the dean's list in 2005, the strength of his transcript of the second reflects he was failing most of his regular or classes. so he tells some great stories and i think he's playing overseas right now but it did what we'll be hearing mo

and the first of these individuals is julius peppers. one of the most famous throw its in unc history, who transcript lucky for us, is already public so we can talk about that. are there any nc state fans in the room? [laughter] >> yes. >> thank you. for your help. >> in addition to acknowledging dan cane should have said something about pack pride in our acknowledgment. the pack pride fan forum, these are the people who discovered this phantom transcript apparently anonymous transcript was actually julius peppers' transcript. it's really indecipherable on the screen. tend of his third semester necessary residence at unc his gpa was 1.57. >> he was rocking then. >> not doing too well. and you need to have a 1.75gpa to be eligible for athletic participation for the upcoming season. so what the academic counselors and the aspsa did at unc was route him to 11fm classes out of his next 17 courses and at least eight of those 11 courses were paper classes. and guess what? he did really well. he did real request well in those classes, and he --

allude to one of the great and discussed scandals within a scandal, by the way the fact that julius pepperst the end of his 1st year with his 7.2 gpa and awful performance academically in his 1st year, the fact that after that 1st year the basketball coach decided it was a good idea to get them on the basketball team and that the athletic director allowed it, as did everyone else, this is a scandal that should never have happened. how is this possible? >> that man had his hand up for a very long time. >> did you get a chance to interview the players were the coaches? if so, what do they say? >> i worked with students in the athletic department for 11 years. a lot of the stories, chapter seven and eight are from our experience working with the young men and women that i worked with welfare. in addition we interviewing had athletes we talked to and some faculty and some staff and we talked to. we did we did not talk to coaches. no, we did not talk to any coaches. but but we certainly have heard from coaches, you know espn come outside the lines, you know, lines, you know, locally we have hear