amy: let's bring in jullian harris-calvin.role of prosecutors and judges and sending people to rikers, releasing them into what is described as a hellhole? you are a former public defender. >> prosecutors and judges hold the keys to rikers island, they arthe gatekeepers. they determine who comes in and who goes out. judges are the folks that send new yorkers to rikers island and other jail facilities in new york city. the bail reform law passed in 2019 was responsive to what ms. sabur was talking about. bail is something that rich people can pay, poor people cannot pay. for black and brown new yorkers are the ones that have suffered from that. the bill made it so far fewer folks, mostly black and brown folks, were being sent to rikers island on unaffordable bl. but there are still scenarios where judges can set bail, and they are also doing it after the request by the new york city street attorneys. the folks in rikers island, about 4500 of them, are pretrial detainees. they are innocent until proven guilty but they are langui