amy: i want to go back to jumaane williams.n for governo what would you do differently? >> to the conversation going on, we have to acknowledge spikes in crime, but we also need leaders who will guide new yorkers through the facts of what is happening and not feed into the fear mongering that was done 30 years ago when the crack epidemic happened, and did not solve the problem, and people apologize 30 years later. when we look at where we are, the same people then said we needed to lock up more black and brown people, even as we were in historic lows. i want to go back to 2011, when we told folks we had better ways of dealing with this violence. from 2010 to 2018, we were on the way to becoming the safest city we had ever been, safest in the nation. amy: we have to leave it there. thank you for being with us. this conversation will continue. jumaane williams, considering a run for the new york governorship. i want to thank anisah sabur, who was jailed at rikers. and jullian harris-calvin. as we move to our final segment. we end