in these grand juries. >> they want you in that grand jury room to build a case against someone else. >> yes. >> and that person is? >> i don't know. and if it's roger, i'm not going to testify against roger. roger did not do anything. he was treated terribly by donald trump. >> and he's one of donald trump's oldest advisers. >> trump is the most the dishonest person you'll meet. >> you know you'll have to go in there without a lawyer. >> the issue isn't about me going in there. i have no problem telling them what i said in there. the issue is, is i don't think this is fair. this is over, this is, the idea that i carter page, corey lewandowski and hope hicks? corey lewandowski and hope hicks colluded to get me and roger fired. carter page? i never met the guy in my life. >> do you think carter page has criminal exposure? >> i think carter page the colluded with the russians. i told you that privately. i told you that before. >> and how many people do you think i told he was doing that with on the campaign? >> i don't think he told a lot of people. i don't think he had a lot of power i

that's why someone gets a grand jury subpoena. and the idea that sam nunberg gets to decide what he talks about and what questions he answers, i think everyone knows that's just absurd. >> jeff is spot on. i would say one of the most striking things i heard from mr. nunberg today is him saying he has, quote, no interest in providing these records to mr. mueller. jeff can attest, all of the subpoenas i obtained and served, never saw a line that took into consideration the interest of the person being subpoenaed. >> how do you think mueller will respond, you used to work at the fbi. how does a special prosecutor like robert mueller respond to public statements from sam nunberg? >> after he stops shaking his head, i think his team will get to work, continue what they have been doing. as this person continues to talk, they learn more. as we sit here today, and we don't know what will happen friday, whether he ultimately shows orn not, but here or new york, there are salty marshals googling his address and working up an arrest plan. >>

you're unwilling to answer in front of a grand jury. >> i'm not going to answer in front of a grand jury if they do not explain why i have to go in now. vladmir putin is too smart to collude with donald trump. donald trump won't keep his mouth closed. >> how do you know donald trump would not collude with the russians or allow others around him to do that? >> there's an issue when trump said that he liked putin being in syria. he said that. it was inherent that trump understood because he has a very good understanding of middle america that average americans at that point where we're not going to remember -- remember isis was chopping off american's heads at that point. barack obama was pretty pathetic. he had withdrawn from iraq. this is my opinion. he had withdrawn from iraq and we had watched isis take over this wide wrath of land. i said, at that point, i said look, it could be a problem. people like marco rubio will come out against us. jeb bush. they are being very anti-russian. rand paul, ron paul supporters wouldn't. it wouldn't be so bad if trump took that position. >> i know th

>> they've asked me not in the grand jury frankly.of questions about my time because even though i was barely on the campaign, i was with mr. trump -- then mr. trump, now the president for around four years. and i was around even though i was through that summer, i was around new york, and i can hear certain things and i have a connection with roger. >> you said in another interview they asked you about michael cohen, but you didn't answer. was it because attorney-client privilege because you're a lawyer and he's a lawyer? >> right. there's some things i feel that i can't necessarily answer about things i've heard around the office if it involves the president and it involves michael because we're both lawyers. therefore, you know, it would break privilege. if it involved something in terms of strategy, for instance, this is a question they asked me in my voluntary interview. did the president ever take a position that he directly told you because of his business interest? the answer is no, absolutely not. never came up. >> do you bel

the jury filed in. were they looking at you, the jurors?ey weren't. >> i took a couple deep breaths and i just -- >> your honor, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. >> the waiting had paid off. >> as to count two? >> not guilty. >> the reaction of tom at the time of the verdict, absolutely incredible. >> thank you, thank you, thank you! >> he collapsed to the floor and wept for 20 minutes. unbelievable. >> he got away with murder, but he almost didn't. we had it. we had him convicted. and to actually have to go back and talk with that family and try and give them some consoling, how do you do that? >> you're just angry. you're angry at the jurors, the judge. there's nothing you can do about it. >> i was more concerned about heath at that point because i knew that he knew his father killed his mother. and i couldn't imagine having to go back and live with the man who killed your mother. >> yeah, get it! >> tom has regained custody of heath, and he treads very carefully when discussing that tragic day with his boy. >> from him, i at le

>> the grand jury has issued a scene that. a it is a grand jury scene that.ply, there are teaill only a couple ways it can go. he could say i have a fifth amendment right. he could go to a judge and say i want to quash the subpoena. he can say it is too difficult to comply. very unlikely. at that time the judge would order him to testify and to provide that information. if he refuses, the judge can hold him in can you be tempt. that's a separate criminal charge and he could go to jail or be fined if he refuses to provide to the grand jury. it is very serious. i agree that we have about four days until he is scheduled to be there. it is very likely that something may change before then. >> he has million is friday. and you're our legal analyst, a former attorney general. he's already answered questions for five and a half hours. doesn't that mean he's waived the fifth amendment privilege? >> it would be very unusual to invoke at this point. there could be something else he hasn't told investigators. he could still glom and take the fifth amendment. that to be

what was it that precipitated this subpoena to go before the grand jury? and he testified before the fbi for 5 1/2 hours. he seems to believe that mueller believes the president's a manchurian candidate. he seems to believe that mueller thinks that roger stone was in cahoots with julian assange. and for some reason, they want him back. do they think he wasn't telling the truth to the fbi agents? do they believe that he can add to their case, that he has something germane? i mean we know that he was fired in 2015, so he wasn't a part of the sort of active campaign. but he clearly talks to people like roger stone and steve bannon. so i think the story now has to turn to why mueller wants him and what mueller believes sam nunberg can offer. we don't know. >> well, i -- >> jeff, nunberg had said that, you know, in his five-plus hours with the fbi and with mueller's team, he was told that, you know, anything he said would not -- he would not be charged with as long as he was being honest. is it possible that mueller might already have some of nunberg's e-mail c

as of friday, we know the grand jury usually meets on friday. they also forwarded a document with lots of names and very specific legal language and he said he plans not to comply and would be willing to go to jail. now, whether he will back down or not, who knows. but right now he's the star of the show and that's the say sam nunberg likes it. >> let me ask you the obvious question, which is why won't he show up? >> well, he says he doesn't want to come back to washington and spend all the money on a lawyer and spend the hours going through the documents. >> where is he right now, all the way back to washington? where is he? >> he's in new york. he lives in new york. >> okay. >> i don't know why he's not coming. i think he may be playing chicken with special counsel bob mueller here. you know, trying to avoid an appearance. but i think we've seen, brooke, several times with the special counsel, he takes these things pretty seriously, being lied to or people not cooperating in the investigation. i'm very curious to see if sam retains this positi

your jury pool shouldn't depend on what type of case you have, it should be the same for everyone inhe county. >> reporter: the judge thinks that the move will lead to greater overall participation. but public defender brandon woods strongly disagrees. >> what the courts are doing is adding an extra layer of burden for people to serve on juries. it is going to make the jury panels mostly people who are after fluent and i hate to say this, but people who are not people of color. >> if every jury pool is a county wide pool, i think they will be more diverse, not less. >> a public comment period is open until early may. this woman has been called to serve on a jury every year. >> i'm hoping to be local where i serve. >> she's not alone. >> either close to my workplace or close to my home, that would be convenient. >> reporter: if the proposed change is accepted, it will go into effect july 1st. >>> wow, the countdown to the tax deadline is on and that means it's time once again for "7 on your side" hot line. >>> michael finney is with tax experts answering your questions tonight. >> we'

jury selection is set to begin on monday. the jury will come from right here in montgomery county, pennsylvania. and we learned yesterday that the jury will actually be sequestered. they will stay in hotels for what the judge has said can easily be a month long trial. back to you. >> jean casarez, thank you. be sure to watch the cnn special report the case against bill cosby, it starts tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. >>> the next hour of "cnn newsroom" begins right now. thank you for staying with me. i'm ana ca grar brera in new yo. new developments in the russia investigation. did members of the trump team meet with russian spies during the campaign, did they know the russians were spies, and can this finally be answered? was there collusion? cnn has learned why robert mueller wanted former trump campaign deputy rick gates to cooperate with his probe. and how gates could help mueller's team connect the trump campaign to the russian intelligence agency. cnn's shimon prokupecz is following every development, joining

the chance to defend himself to the jury by testifying.e courtroom observers believe the defense had already created a reasonable doubt that testifying was in fact, risky. especially for paul, said his friend. >> knowing paul the way i know paul and the way he could be interpreted incorrectly, i was very nervous about paul taking the stand. >> riskary not paul was determined to tell the jury his side of the story. >>> coming up -- >> i thought, you know, if there was any way this jury thought this man was responsible for this, now they know for sure that he's not. >> but what did the jury think? when "burning suspicion" continues. i'm so frustrated. i just want to find a used car without getting ripped off. you could start your search at the all-new carfax.com that might help. show me the carfax. now the car you want and the history you need are easy to find. show me used trucks with one owner. pretty cool. [laughs] ah... ahem... show me the carfax. start your used car search and get free carfax reports at the all-new carfax.com. he gets t

in fact, he was determined to tell the jury his side of the story. assigned a female colleague to question paul. a strategy, whispered courtroom observers. a way to show the jury paul could impracticnteract well wit woman. but those people were mistaken, said geragos. >> i don't think direct examination is my strong suit. i was concentrating on cross examination of the witnesses. >> so paul zumot looked the jurors in the eye and told them, i did not kill jennifer schipsi, did not burn the house. then he told them emotions burning to a fever pitch how despite their roller coaster relationship, he truly loved jennifer. his lawyer presented a love letter, in fact, she'd written to him. and he broke down then. flood of tears. >> i was so relieved and i thought, you know, if there was any way this jury thought this man was responsible for this, now they know for sure that he's not, because it's so obvious to me that he's telling the truth. >> but listening to all of this with his experienced ear was prosecutor gillingham. you must have been rather pleased

we will hear the jury now. [applause] [applause] >> the jury has reached a verdict. the court is again in session. >> has the jury reached a verdict? >> yes, it happens. >> will you please give the clerk.t to the q would you please read the verdict? jury ine members of the the title case in the matter of the crown versus hamlet are not unanimous. nine of us find the defendant hamlet, the prince of denmark, at the time of the homicide of the death of polonius was responsible for the act. three of us find that the prince of denmark at the time of the homicide of polonius lacked criminal responsibility respons. >> lord hamlet, will you please stand? the verdict leaves me no choice but to remand you to the pages of our literary heritage. [laughter] or you may emerge again and -- tothe challenge challenge us and later generations as we seek to know about the you and sources constraints and the inspiration for all human action. you are remanded. you may close the proceedings. where are you? >> this was a terrific evening i want to thank absolutely everybody. [applause] [ap

the jury had reached a decision. >> when they called me and said the jury's in, i could barely breathe's family and friends rushed to the courthouse. prosecutors were confident. >> we did the best that we could in putting on the evidence that we had and -- and -- hopefully the jury would see it our way and convict him. >> reporter: the defense attorneys were confident as well. >> we had the facts. we had the experts. >> but -- but you never know. >> but you never know. >> good luck, honey. i love you. >> i don't need luck, dad. >> reporter: both sides couldn't be any more raw, or more on edge. alex was facing life in prison. and finally, after four long years -- >> is this the verdict of each and every one of the members of the jury? >> reporter: -- here it was. >> in the matter of the state of iowa plaintiff versus alexander joseph fazzino. we the jury find the defendant not guilty. [ cheers ] >> thank you, lord! >> reporter: not guilty. the words alex and his family had been waiting to hear. even his veteran defense attorneys couldn't hold it together. >> i held off crying until bill

you not to talk to the grand jury? >> no. >> well that right there was interesting. it is what nunberg told me about what mueller might know about the president that might be the most explosive part of that interview. >> you sat there in that room being questioned by mueller's investigators. i want to hear directly from you. do you think that they have something on the president? >> i think they may. >> what? >> i think he may have done something during the election. but i don't know that for sure. >> why do you think that? >> i can't explain it unless you were in there. >> my colleague kristen welker asked press secretary sarah sanders before the nunberg charge in the briefing room moments after our interview ended. >> nunberg, the president's former campaign aid is refusing a subpoena by a grand jury and he said on msnbc moments ago, i think he, meaning the president, might have done something but i don't know for sure. >> he doesn't know for sure because he is incorrect. as we have seed, there is no collusion with t

they can help to pick the jury, you can help take the jury, but -- pick the jury. but none of that will work without a lawyer, because you don't have -- you don't know how to pick a jury. how to compel the production of witnesses. to cross examine within the rules of evidence and all the rest, you need a lawyer for that. susan: matt asked, did he use the library to get the knowledge for his letter? the answer is, yes. he also had to follow prison rules, which is what he had to read it in pencil and not in pen. are all state and federal prisons required to have law libraries? paul: they do by practice, many are required by their state. i think if he had a jurisdiction that did not provide it, you would have due process challenges to it. so for a practical matter, you have access to those resources and you have a lot of litigation coming out of these prisons, so much so, that congress passed a law -- the prison litigation reform act, to limits on it. it is a source of a lot of cases that continue to be filed. susan: ok, charlene in birmingham, alabama. welcome. calle

a jury made it clear, this was a crime of passion. involving a husband and wife and a boss. here broad daylight. morning in a busy parking lot and then pop pop pop. a man gunned down at close range outside a nursery school in a wealthy suburb. a silver minivan screeched from the lot. startled witnesses saw the victim slumped on the ground. >> right now the condition unknown. >> parents and teachers recognized the man who had been shot as a dad who just dropped off his two-year-old son. a preschool had become a crime scene. >> we are told the children are safe. >> the shooting victim being rushed to the hospital turned out to be 36-year-old rusty snider. married father of two. >> just cried. >> rusty's older brother steve was on a plane to hawaii when he got the shocking news. rusty was dead. i went to the bathroom and looked at the door. >> he was desperate to get home to his family. desperate to find out what had happened to his little brother. >> my brother was murdered. no one should have to face that. he appeared in a police press conference after the shooting to talk ab

a grand jury subpoena is not an invitation to a birthday party. it is a legally binding obligation on the part of the recipient. and unless you have some sort of privilege like you take the fifth, you have to show up. and the idea that he keeps saying, it's ridiculous, and roger stone is my mentor, those are not legal reasons to refuse to comply with a grand jury subpoena. and i am sure robert mueller's team does not want to get into a big public spectacle fight with this guy. i'm sure they will try to say to his lawyer, please talk to him. we don't want this to turn into a circus. but at the end of the day, he's going to have to testify. and if he doesn't testify, they're going to lock him up, and he could be in prison for 18 months, which is the length of a grand jury term if he refuses to testify. >> gloria, the interview you did with him, to you, i mean is he a credible person? again, in the interview with you and his subsequent ones, he was all over the place, changing his story, changing his pushback in realtime. >> he was. and he made certa

why would the special counsel want to put him before the grand jury?> it's not at all peculiar that after you speak to a federal investigator, they want to memorialize that not just in their spiral notebooks but also in front of the grand jury. the grand jury has far more authority to have that testimony used at trial. you can compel the witness to be consistent, if not truthful at a trial if it comes in the future. you can impeach that person with their testimony if it's somehow inconsistent. it also has the advantage of having a first-hand account told by a witness in front of the grand jury when their role is to assess credibility, to decide if they should indict. >> also no lawyer in the room for a grand jury. if you have a witness you think you can get to, it might be better to do it in that setting than a one-on-one interview. i'm trying to look at beyond the soap opera here and at the facts. >> it's hard. >> it is hard. there are key nuggets here. we know what nunberg says he has been asked already. he said investigators when they did have him w

i want to get to your grand jury appearance.t to ask you about the committee shutting down the investigation. he had said that president trump should agree to be interviewed by the special counsel. do you think now this would allow him to either not appear before mueller. >> no. because it is two different issues. the committee is investigating. they can do whatever they want in the house and whatever they want in the senate. but this independent counsel is not going to shut down any time soon unless they have certain answers they get from the president. >> do you think the president might use this as a reason to fire mueller? >> the president should not fire mueller. >> you think he should testify. >> not testify. i don't think mueller will be the one questioning him. but if they could come to an agreement, that would be add ve vennstageous for everyone. >> can i ask you in general what officials asked you about? the general topics? >> i don't even feel government with the topics because i would be undermining what the governme

they can help pick the jury, you can help pick the jury. but none of that is going to work without a lawyer as a practical matter because you don't know how to pick a jury, subpoena witnesses, compelled their presentation, cross examine evidence -- you need a lawyer for that. susan: matt asked did mr. gideon use the library to get the knowledge for his letter? the answer is, yes. he also had to follow prison rules, which is why he had to write it in pencil. are all state and federal prisons required to have law libraries? mr. clement: they do by practice. i think many are required by state law. if you have a jurisdiction that did not provide it, you would have a due process challenge to it. as a practical matter, you do have access to those resources. you have a of litigation that calms out of these prisons, so much so that congress passed a law, the prison litigation reform act, to put limits on it. it is certainly a source of a lot of cases that continue to be filed in the courts and supreme court. susan: three more calls, then back to ou

that's a jury trial request. the judge, i say, has to decide whether or not the nondisclosure agreement is valid because if he thinks it's valid, it might go down to arbitration. but in terms of the jury trial, why is it only michael cohen who needs to be deposed. well, they say whatever michael cohen said about whether or not this matter may be truthful, which is what the cause of defamation is about, where would he have gotten his information? he would have gotten his information, if it's truthful or not, from the president. so then did the president know that there was going to be this hutch agreement as it's been called or the nondisclosure agreement, when did he know it? the old watergate questions, what did you know, when did you know it. then we have did he know where the money came from? did he have anything to do with ordering the hush agreement? ordering the money? so it's backtracking all the way as to how this came about. remember, this is 11 days, this signature, before the 2016 election. >> right. a

so the jury can get it right. we do not want people convicted just because they are poor, we wanted them convicted because they are guilty. we can only really be sure of that if we have good lawyers on both sides. so actually, in a way the appointment of fortas is proving the deep logic of basically gideon's claim. susan: arguing on behalf of the state of florida was bruce jacob, a couple of years out of law school. we actually spoke with him. he is in his 80's. he sat down in front of our cameras and talked about the experience, so we will listen to him about what it would like to argue the case. >> the day before the case was argued, chief justice warren swore me and. they were about three or four lawyers being sworn in. he was a huge man, he leaned over the bench, the bench is just a few feet away and you feel like he is right on top of you and he said, welcome to the bar of the supreme court mr. jacob. swore me in. i admired the chief justice so much, to have somebody like that talk to me. my name was somethin

they can help pick the jury, you can help pick the jury.ut none of that's going to work without a lawyer as a practical matter because you don't know how to pick a jury, how to subpoena witnesses, how to compel the production of witnesses, how to cross-examine within the rules of evidence and all the rest. you need a lawyer for that. >> matt smith asks on twitter, did mr. gideon juice the legal library at the prison to acquire the legal knowledge? >> yes. >> the answer is yes, he had to follow prison rules, why he had to write it in pencil rather than pen. do all prisons have law libraries. >> they are required to by practice. if you had a jurisdiction that didn't provide it. there would be a process challenge to it. as a practical matter you do have access to those kind of resources and you have a lot of litigation that comes out of these prisons. so much so that congress passed a law, the prison litigation reform act to try to put limits on it. so it is certainly a source of a lot of cases that continue to be filed in the courts and the s

jury. even though at the airport they questioned him for about an hour. they now want to bring him before the grand jury. what does that suggest? >> we've seen with it a few other witnesses. they've he topped them when they came into the country. the fbi clearly has people on watch lists. to make sure when they land in the country, they pull them aside. they look through their devices, computers, getting whatever evidence they can gather and bring them before the grand jury. it is a pretty aggressive tactic to do. it is taking people by surprise to make sure there's no evidence destroyed before they come before the fbi. >> they confiscated his cell phone, right? >> they did. they took his cell phone, whatever other devices they had. what they typically do is they take an image and save it for the purposes of the fbi investigation. >> so it clearly suggests that mueller's investigation into all sorts of aspects including cooperation between at the campaign and the russians is escalating. >>

the jury gathered and minutes later, a signal. chris hall and his daughters rushed to court. and in the end it was very quick. guilty of first-degree murder. their father would not be coming home, probably ever. >> he's being cuffed and potentially put away for life, and, yeah, it hurts, and we are angry about that. >> you can still hear those daughters accusing you of unfairly convicting their father. >> i can. absolutely. it weighs on me. but at the same time i know who i'm dealing with when it comes to chris hall. in fact, he is the one that's stolen their mother from them. >> it had been a peculiar fact of this case that the victims and defendant's families had stood solidly together against the prosecution. but what no one knew was the truth was more complicated. after the verdict at chris hall's sentencing a letter was introduced. it was from another of cristi hall's brothers, billy carlton, who until now had said not one public word about the case. we would like to ask his honor for the maximum sentence, wrote billy. the pa

they did a lengthy interview and asked him to company many to the grand jury. which means he believes he has oral documents. they have made that decision that he has relevant and important information for the investigation. and i think they will follow through to get him there. if he is represented by counsel, i am positive that the special counsel team has asked him to come in otherwise hold him in con tempt. >> more breaking news on this. we will go live to the capitol on that. hold up. hold up. we got a laggy video call here. yeah. you need verizon, the best network for streaming. here try this new samsung galaxy s9 on verizon unlimited. the camera's a real game changer. wow. okay, let's start this one again. first positions, everybody. crouch down. from the top! (avo) unlimited is only as good as the network it's on. switch and get up to $500 off the samsung galaxy s9. let your inner light loose with one a day women's. ♪ a complete multivitamin specially formulated with key nutrients plus vitamin d for bone health support. your one a day is showing. we're a

. >>> they want me over the grand jury. screw that? why do i have to go? donald trump caused it because he's an idiot. >> dizzying. defiant? a series of interviews from a former trump campaign adviser rais rais raises numerous questions. is sam nunberg unhinged? >>> and getting push back from allies. a former secretary calls it the most irrational economic policy of the century. paul ryan now standing up and saying this is not a good idea. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm dave briggs. "the bachelor" finale had more breaking news than we had today. one time trump campaign adviser sam nunberg has three days to decide to stick to his board and co -- word and comply with the grand jury investigation. it is of interest because of the cable news circus, but claims he made could have a real impact on robert mueller's russia probe. he is supposed to appear friday in a series of interviews. nunberg said no way. >> they want me over. they want me over at the grand jury. screw that. to go? why? for what? >> this week's whirlwind started with a g

your jury pool shouldn't depend on what type of case you have. it should be the same for everyone in the county. >> reporter: court executive officer chad fin key believes the move will lead to greater overall participation and people within the county being called to serve less often and brendan woods strongly disagrees. >> extra layer of difficulty to get people to serve on juries. >> reporter: he believes the change will create a burden on people in lower socioeconomic classes. >> is gone to make the jury panels mostly people who are fluent and i hate to say this, but people who are not people of color. >> given the diversity of our county, if every jury pool is a countywide pool, i think more diverse, not less. >> reporter: a public comment period is open until early may. >> some people may not just show up at all. they may just call and say they're unavailable, reschedule and never show up again. >> reporter: if the proposed change is accepted, it will go into effect july 1st. melanie woodrow, abc7 news. >>> a broken space station could fall

jury.at. why do i have to go? why? for what? i'm not going to get sent to prison. donald trump caused it, because he's an idiot, because he decided to give an interview to lester holt the day after he fired james comey and then he decided to have the russians in the oval office. >> that was sam nunberg, the former adviser to then candidate donald trump who swore he was not going to testify before the grand jury in the russia probe. guess where he is right now? there he is, walking into the district court in washington, d.c., we believe him to be testifying before the grand jury as we speak. jessica schneider outside right now. jessica, give us the latest. >> reporter: well, john, as you saw there, in a week that started off with a show of defiance from sam nunberg, he has in fact come here to the district courthouse and he will -- he is appearing before a grand jury this morning. he walked into the courthouse, just shortly after 9:00 a.m. he walked in with his attorney, patrick brakly. but

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an actual grand jury subpoena. >> a call from -- >> but an actual grand jury subpoena to put you in the box without a lawyer. okay. and he may have thought to himself, i did what i was supposed to do. i cooperated. my lawyer said that would be the end of it. and to his knowledge, steve bannon didn't have to go in the box. jared kushner didn't have to go in the box. he may be sitting there thinking why do i have to go in the box and he may have had a reaction to that. in other words, it's very easy with the trump world to see the spectacle. there is a larger legal significant to the fact that mueller wants him in the box, that roger stone is implicated. and that he's -- >> but why is sam in the box? jared's not even in the -- >> we don't know that they're not. we don't know that they're not. when you talk to sam nunberg and i can't say the names on tv, he will say other people have been asked the same thing and told him. we don't know definitively -- >> the point, why it affects him if -- >> so when he gets that subpoena and he initially says yes, i talked to him not last night, the nigh

word of a grand jury subpoena targeting communications from trump team insiders. steve bannon, hope hicks and the president himself. and deadline day for the dreamers. six months ago, president trump told congress, solve the problem of the young immigrants whose parents brought them here without papers. nothing is fixed. hundreds of thousands of families are now having their lives in limbo. let's get to it. good monday afternoon from the fox news deck. a live look at the white house where the news should be breaking momentarily. sarah sanders expected to take the podium at any moment. we'll bring you the briefing as soon as it begins on fox. president trump said he's not backing down on his decision to slap new tariffs on steel and aluminum imports. the president suggesting that two close united states allies might get a break from those taxes. just might, if they meet certain demands. such as signs what he calls a new and fair trade deal. >> mexico is -- we've had a bad deal with mexico. very bad deal with canada. it's called nafta. our factories have left our co

. >>> they want me over the grand jury. screw that? why do i have to go? donald trump caused it because he's an idiot. >> dizzying. defiant? potentially damaging. a series of interviews from a former trump campaign adviser raises numerous questions. is sam nunberg unhinged? or did he blow up the russia investigation? >>> and getting push back from allies. a former secretary calls it the most irrational economic policy from a president in the last half century and paul ryan now, the speaker of the house, weighing in on this issue. he does not like the tariff idea. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> we hear from paul ryan and mitch mcconnell later this afternoon. that is a first question. we will hear from president trump. first questions in the bilateral meeti meeting. sam nunberg has three days to decide if he will stick to his word and refuse to comply with the grand jury subpoena in the russia investigation from the special counsel. it is of interest because of the cable news circus nunberg whipped up, but because of the claims it could h

they want me over -- they want me over at the grand jury. screw that. why do i have to go? why? for what? >> could go to jail. actually the answer to that is pretty simple. you have to go to the grand jury because you have been subpoenaed, and if you don't go, as i said, you could end up in jail. but that's not all sam nunberg has to say and a lot of it is pretty explosive. >> you know what? trump may very well have done something during the election with the russians. >> and then there's this. minutes later to jake tapper. >> they know, they know something on him and, jake, i don't know what it is. >> they know something on him? >> perhaps i'm wrong, but he did something. >> and nunberg was not finished just yet. not by a long shot. list tone this. just a little while ago, this is what cnn's erin burnett. he thinks donald trump knew in advance about that infamous trump tower meeting between his son don junior and russians. >> i think he probably knew in advance -- >> in advance? >> yeah. i think -- if i had to guess, don informed him about it. >> nunberg offering absolutely no

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>> you can go to the grand jury because you have been subpoenaed. if you don't go, as i said, you can end up in jail. that's not all he had to say. a lot of it is pretty explosive. >> you know what, trump may have very well done something during the election with the russians. >> huh. then there is this minutes later to jake tapper. >> they know. they know something on him. and jake, i don't know what it is. >> they know something? >> perhaps i'm wrong, but he did something. >> and nun berg was not finished just yet. not by a long shot. listen to this a little while ago. this is what erin burnett. he said he knew about the meeting between his son don jr. and russians. >> i think he probably knew in advance. >> in advance? >> yeah. i think if i had to guess, don informed him about it. >> nun berg offering no proof of any of this, but his all day marathon and interviews, you have to admit it was pretty incredible. we are kind of in the twilight zone. it's hard to believe someone refusing to talk to a grand jury would spend all day talking on tv. you k

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he never would have been called in front of a grand jury.ue dress would have never been discovered. the lawsuit would have been dropped. >> the mind-set of the clintons, that they thought that they could destroy this woman through litigation, was foolish. to be able to settle this for a couple of hundred thousand dollars would have been a lot simpler process. you're still he? we're voya! we stay with you to and through retirement. i get that voya is with me through retirement, i'm just surprised it means in my kitchen. so, that means no breakfast? voya. helping you to and through retirement. ♪ >> on november 17, the judiciary committee released all 22 hours of linda tripp and monica lewinsky's taped conversations. >> on television and radio, the entire day was consumed by the audio of tripp's secret recordings. >> the general depiction of me as this horrific human being was beyond painful. it meant the country didn't get it. they weren't allowed to get what had actually happened. >> the late-night drama-filled phone calls dominated the news

what will he tell the grand jury? he had bombshell claims. he said he said he believed the president did know about the june 2016 meeting at trump tower with donald trump jr. as well as the russian lawyer. he also indicated based on the questions the special counsel's team asked him in the interview last month, he believed the special counsel in his words have something on the president. john, of course this is all taking place behind closed doors in secret. but yes, in fact, sam nunberg after a week of waffling and initial defiance, he has appeared here at the courthouse to talk before the grand jury and tell them what he knows. >> jessica schneider in washington, d.c. it will be interesting to see if he speaks when he comes out. he told our gloria borger he doesn't expect to speak to the media much more because he doesn't want to turn into anthony scaramucci. >>> in some ways i think it's fitting we saw sam nunberg walk into federal court in a week that largely began with his dramatic turn on television and then with everything that happene

is that his jury? he doesn't care what the government says. >> it has to be the court of public opinion. because the way this would play out in front of a jury if he were ever charged would be in a way that would give i think great credit to those witnesses who could be heard to be honest and truthful and who would have -- you know, be able to tell their full stories in court, along, frankly, with the president's witnesses. and i don't have much doubt about how that would come out. so what the president hopes to do here is to write off people like andy mccabe and jim comey as liars, as people who con spired against him. i think we're all looking forward to jim comey's book and seeing what sort of truths he has to tell. >> april 17th, that book comes out. anyway, the president's attacks on mccabe, as i mentioned, comey and mueller drew a strong rebuke from former members of the intelligence community. former cia chief john brennan responded this way. when the full extent of your venality, moral turpitud

the 18 months is the life of the grand jury. what's interesting here is we've got a special grand jury for the special counsel. it's very likely this grand jury could get extended beyond 18 months. so he's really -- nunberg is playing with fire. he could wind up in jail for three years if he refuses to produce his documents and refuses to go to the grand jury. >> let me ask you this, neil. the questions that we're -- we're getting a lot of stories about the questions that mueller is asking. the reason we're getting those stories, as best i can tell, the mueller operation doesn't leak. but he has interviewed a lot of people. and the people who are being interview ready talking to reporters about what they're being questioned. nunberg seemed spooked. other people seemed spooked. other people seem to think they're being asked questions by investigators and investigators already have the answers to. is that a reasonable assumption? >> well, i do think it's reasonable. i do think what we're learning is that mueller is investigating e

what was it like to get that hung jury? what did you think then?at was tragic. >> that was devastating to us. >> you expected a not guilty verdict? >> yes. not a doubt. >> deputy d.a. burke strunsky was disappointed too. he was also determined to retry the case. first he sent his investigator on a mission to explore the life and marriage of chris hall. and what do you know. in idaho, where hall had been a disgraced police chief, the investigator uncovered a startling accusation. >> chris was a great, great con man. >> former los angeles police officer jerry winkel is a county commissioner in idaho now. but once upon a time he was chris hall's friend, that is, before a night of poker and booze when he said paul made a disturbing revelation, that he had shot himself in the leg in order to get retirement benefits. >> chris had been drinking beer. he came out and told me that he had shot himself. >> but there was more. d.a. investigator tom dove discovered a secret. not in chris's past but in cristi's. >> there had been infidelity in the past. >> the a

they played it for the jury. >> just do what he says and please don't call the police.olice it could be bad. >> reporter: prosecutors argued the recording proved beverly had been kidnapped and contradicted lewis's claim of a hookup. so how would the defense explain that tape? attorney bill james chose to ignore it. >> i was unable to come up with any plausible explanation for that recording that helped us. >> so was this one of your biggest obstacles then? this recording? >> i mean, everything came back to the recording. >> reporter: instead he led jurors in a different direction beverly's personal life. >> you said this case is about secret lives. what did you mean by that? >> in order for our defense to -- to be correct, she would have had to be living a life that was basically secret or at least doing something that other people didn't know about. >> reporter: here's where lewis's story got even stranger. he was no longer implying that he had sex with beverly. he claims he was out of the house at the time? >> that's i mean that's what he said, yes. >> reporter: lewis

members of the jury, are you all agreed on your verdict? yes.es camb, guilty or not guilty? guilty. james camb, a deck steward, was found guilty and sentenced to death for the murder of eileen gibson in the liner durban castle. the jury took 45 minutes to reach their verdict. do you remember the sentencing? i remember the sentencing, yes. i don't think he showed much emotion. on the night he was sentenced to death, my brother phoned me and said the verdict has come through. i was in a terrible state. i said, i could have saved his life. because i don't know that he did it. to conclude, i would like to quote joshua casswell, camb‘s barrister. he said, no—one can be sure about what happened in this case, except james camb himself. james camb, you stand convicted of murder. my lords, at the opening of this case i was asked to plead guilty or not guilty. i pleaded not guilty and i repeat that statement now. james camb, the sentence of the court upon you is that you be taken from hence to a lawful prison and thence to a place of execution and that yo