. >> host: years experience negotiating jurkovic irani, correct? in my capacity? >> guest: as legal advisor under george shultz and jim baker and i conducted the negotiations with iran. they were negotiations over claims, the claims included a lot of military things and as we developed relationship, myself and the person i negotiated with who was a rare at the time person controlling naughty in the rainy government. we were able to tackle some other issues as well and i think we can negotiate effectively with iran, but we must do so with a back strain and negotiating policies that are more analogous to what we did with the soviet union than they are too uppity now with the rain. >> host: abraham sofaer company you work here at the national security at the hoover dictation. we entered the shows a little while ago and one of his rules of him was if you point a gun at somebody, be prepared to use it. >> guest: that's absolutely right. we've escalated a verbal war to a ridiculous point, but we have not used the gun at all virtually. we set a nuclear armed iran would b