it was career prosecutors and the justice department in the trial fisa court. the second thing i'd say about this, this wasn't just a 9/11 change. this was something that the clinton administration wished to change back after the oklahoma city bombings, something that people in the justice department had known's as a problem but it wasn't until the 9/11 attacks that the costs of that wall really brought home to people. >> i want to chime in to agree with the first part of what john said, that i also have seen testimony from expert law enforcement within the attorney general of more than one administration saying, it was not the law that was the problem. it was the way the law was misinterpreted, which had to do with a cultural problem within the organizations, and remember colleen rowelly's whistle-blowing complaint to fbi director mueller when she said she was begging for authority to wire tapp zachariah moussaoui's laptop, and she had that ability before the patriot act, and she blamed bureaucratic ineptitude and errors and fear of taking action, not any law,

we have these two justice department officials in the e-mail exchange october 18, 2010.umber of guns of that walked but a significant set of prosecutions. the reply i'm not sure how much grief we get for gunwalking. it may be more like, well, finally they are going after people who send guns down there. so it seems like they were calculating the political fallout for of from fairly early on. >> they absolutely were. that's one of the points, sean, the reckless disregard for the effects that 2000 plus assault weapons, including sniper rifles that have brought down aircraft in mexico. that's the real crime here. yet we can eventually figure out what lanny brewer new and how much he work is -- orchestrated it. and certainly eric holders has a lot to account for. but the american people and the people in mexico that relied on us to cooperate and help them, they are owed a change that is permanent. if you will, we hope for a change you can believe in. >> you said that we have a paper trail of so many people knowing that the only way the attorney general didn't know is he made

ever since, the justice department has publicly tried to distance itself, but the new documents leavedoubt that high-level justice officials knew guns were being walked. two justice department officials mulled it over in an e-mail exchange october 18, 2010. now, the justice department told now, the justice department told cbs news that the officials in those e-mails are talking about an entirely different case started before eric holder became attorney general and tonight they tell cbs news holder misunderstood that question from congress, that he did know about fast and furious, just not the details. bob? >> schieffer: okay. thank you very much, sharyl. the nobel prize in medicine was awarded today to three scientists for discoveries involving the immune system. then the committee learned one of the scientists, canadian born biologist ralph steinman died of cancer on friday. the prize is intended for living recipients but after talking it over, the nobel officials said that steinman's share of the $1.5 million award will go to his estate. rick perry's presidential campaign is doing d

we'll talk to congressman darrell ice a, the congressional chairman investigating the justice department's role. and congressman elijah cummings, the ranking democrat on his committee. we'll also bring in cbs news investigative correspondent sheryl attkisson who first broke the story. and then we'll talk politics and get the latest on the republican presidential race from chief white house correspondent norah o'donnell, political analyst john dickerson and bloom news's julianna gold. it's all ahead on face the nation. captioning sponsored by cbs "face the nation" with cbs news chief washington correspondent bob schieffer. good morning again. and welcome to face the nation. joining congressman darrell issa who took the red eye to get here and be with us here this morning from his district in san diego. also cbs news investigative correspondent sharyl attkisson who broke this story. mr. chairman, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me on, bob. >> schieffer: this whole business about this operation fast and furious really blew up last december as we said in the open. when border patrol

it was career prosecutors in the justice department. the second thing, this wasn't just a 9/11 change. the clinton administration also wished to change back after the oklahoma city bombing. something the justice department knew about but not until the 9/11 attacks that the cost of that law were brought on people. >> i want to agree with the first part of what john said. i also have seen testimony from expert law enforcement in the attorney general of more than one administration saying it was not a lot -- the law that was the problem but the way it was misinterpreted which had to do with a cultural problem within the organization. remember colleen raleigh's whistle-blower complaint to director miller? she was begging for the authority to wiretap zacarias moussao moussaoui's laptop. she said she had that authority and she blamed bureaucratic ineptitude and fear of taking action. that is important because those cultural problems i take as our critique, those problems persist. >> in the front row. >> it was the humphrey case that set up th

i do not know what the justice department is doing. there may be an investigation there, but it is a long time coming, and it cannot come quickly enough. when you read "reimagining equality," there are practices were lenders would say, when they were going out to target elderly women, that there were "going grammy hunting -- granny hunting." they would sell certain people did not deserve a good credit. it was built into the practices. lenders have an incentive to sell toxic instruments in communities of color and throughout society. that, in many people's estimation, is criminal. whether or not the justice department and the states of new york and delaware will find them criminal remains to be seen. tavis: the book is called "reimagining equality," something the justice department ought to do. that is my commentary, not professor hill's. >> we all should. tavis: an honor as always to have you on this program. >> it is a pleasure to be here. tavis: see you back here next time. thanks for watching, and as always, keep the faith. >> for m

justice department is currently reviewing the south carolina's voter i.d.law, any election law changes made there have to be cleared by federal authorities under the voting rights act because of past voting rights abuses in that state. this year, 34 states introduced legislation to create or strengthen voter i.d. laws. of those, seven have been enacted so far. alabama, kansas, rhode island, south carolina, tennessee, texas and wisconsin. there are new restrictions -- these new restrictions should have a significant impact on the outcome of the 2012 presidential election. according to the brennan center for justice, the states that have already placed further restrictions on voting will provide 171 electoral votes in 2012. 63% of the 270 needed to win the presidency. joining me now is msnbc contributor and tulane university professor of political science, melissa harris-perry. thanks for joining me tonight, melissa. >> absolutely. glad to be here. >> melissa, it seems clear what the intent of the designs are. you never see politicians touching anything aroun

we asked department of justice officials.in a while they will send somebody to judiciary, usually a person with the least information so we can get a series of "i don't knows." by specifically gun walk is mentioned. gun walking or the gun walking? it's when you let guns walk, you know they are contraband, and that you have a legal right to seize them either arrest or seize them with a search warrant and you let them go. you don't do surveillance on them, you don't put gps on them. you literally let them walk. megyn: let me stop you there. i want to read the memo. there is a series of emails back on october of 2010. this is well before holder says that he knew about "operation fast & furious" and the controversial stuff. the deputy assistant attorney general in the criminal division is corresponding with the acting chief of the organized crime and gang section. one of them write to the other. it's not going to be any figure surprise that a bunch of u.s. guns are being used in mexico so i'm not sure how much grief we get for qu

>> exactly. >> narrator: the justice department's lead prosecutor, rachel lieber, disputes dr.heine's allegation. and we asked director mueller to answer our questions about the fbi case. he declined to participate. the fbi had been watching ivins at home and at work, but they still didn't have one crucial piece of evidence-- the anthrax spores they had never found in the hatfill investigation. >> it was time. they were going to have to do a search of his office, his home, his car, everything. they're looking for a spore. >> narrator: montooth knew the search would put ivins on full alert. >> at that point, we decided that we were going to do our search warrants. and that would be, really, the time when we would tip our hands to dr. ivins that we would... that we were seriously looking at him. >> narrator: but ivins' mental health was fragile. the fbi psychiatrist was warning too much pressure could push him over the edge. >> this was a middle-aged white male with concerns about his health, struggling with substance use, both in terms of prescription drugs and alcohol. this is

i think the way we thought about it in the justice department at that time is that if any country had attacked us in the same way of the debris left in the house al qaeda no one would have had any doubt that we were at war. the only difference was that al qaeda was not a nation state. and the important legal and constitutional issues could we be at war with a non-nation state? and i.t. president bush made that decision for the country that might and that was an important decision because once you make that call, then the united states can turn to laws and rules of the warfare to deal with al qaeda and the threat of terrorism. all of those i think were displayed not just in our invasion in afghanistan and the use of troops and more drones to wipe out much of al qaeda's existing leadership of the time of 9/11 but was put on display and the successful operation to kill osama bin laden over the summer which i think as president obama's greatest foreign policy of the national security achievement the last two and a half years. their use of intelligence provided by people who didn't the tea

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the particulars and the thing will be, as i'm sure a lot of our journalists will press the department of justice as possible how, number one, this was supposed to work, how it was broken up, and then the implications certainly from the state department which may talk about it. but at this point, we just want to find out some details about how this was going to work and how it was broken up. >> do you have any idea, jill, as i mentioned at the top of the hour we were expecting to see and i don't see the president of the united states who arrived in pittsburgh, pennsylvania this morning, obviously a big topic on his ageneral darks selling that $447 billion jobs bill. from the best of my knowledge, he has get to step forth and speak. do we know if that is being pushed back because of the announcement by the department of justice? >> i can't say that. if it was pushed back, there might be some plan. obviously the president has to be briefed on as much as possible. i'm sure he knows just as much as everyone knows at this point. whether he says something would be a good indication as to the seriousnes

and the justice department. the attorney general who is head of the justice department at first said he didn't know anything about this operation until recently. now it seems evidence shows he was given a memo last year about the hole idea. did he not read the memo? granted the attorney general has experienced not reading important documents like the arizona immigration law. you remember, madam speaker, the attorney general publicly criticized the arizona bill and then he testified before the judiciary committee to a question i asked him that he hadn't even read that bill. anyway, if he didn't know about the smuggling operation, he should have. he's in charge. and if he did know about it, an approved it, he should be held accountable for this nonsense. i'm not sure what the attorney general's claim of defense will be this week. reminds me of my days on the bench as a judge in texas when a defendant in a homicide case would say, first, i wasn't there. and then he would say, well, if i was there, it wasn't me. and

eric hold hear said -- holder has said the justice department would comply and send all relevant documentst that committee, and congressman darrell issas republican. something he complained about. the documents he has often gotten already from justice, a lot look like this. heavy redactions. no doubt looking to see if the documents sent to him have those as well. putting more pressure on justice right noi for those documents. >> brian todd with the breaking news. we'll follow it. thanks. >>> straight ahead, former hockey star brendan shanahan spent years on the ice. oh, yeah. in addition to the bruises, knocking out teeth, now making players play nice, or at least nicer. for their health. he joins me live next. >>> first, if you're nearing retirement you might think of a job change. not that it's for you, "money" magazine has a look at jobs for anyone thinking about a second career. >> reporter: downward facing dog is on the rise. >> inhale. lifting up your right heel. >> reporter: teaching yoga, one of the best jobs for those reaching the final stretch of theirs career. job flexibility is

justice department has claimed this was a law enforcement operation, period.hers however suspect a political motive, that some in the white house wanted the guns to cross the border to prove a case that u.s. dwuns guns are the predominant source of violence in mexico in order to justify a ban or limit on the sale of assault weapons here. the subpoena demands any and all communication from a dozen top assistant and deputy attorney generals including the attorney general himself, eric holder. this could answer what holder knows. for instance, all wiretaps taps are approved by the chief of the criminal division, lanny brewer. agents say the affidavits are extremely detailed explaining exactly how the operation was run. you've got questions about a ringleader. that he bought some 800 weapons worth half a million dollars on a salary of only $15,000. or how petino bought 1300 guns while on food stamps. documents show that top doj officials knew this back in march of 2010 but did nothing to stop the pair from buying hundreds more weapons. finally the subpoena will re

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the report is on the hill to get information from the justice department naming up officials of the justice department. apparently on the hill, they don't believe your testimony. what do you have to say about that and how do you comply? >> we sent thousands of pages of documents up to the hill. i'm sure we will comply with them. what i want the american people to understand is in dealing with that inquiry that will not detract from the business we have here to do with the justice department including the ones like we have denounced here today. >> can i talk to you about the fact -- >> we are following breaking news where attorney general eric holder and fbi, director muller gave us new details on this plot that was unfolded and they said uncovered from may to september 29th when one of the suspects was taken into custody. let me bring in andrea mitchell. we have incredible details. let's start with the facts that eric holder said the iranian government involved in this within the hour, we will hear a response from the state and treasury department as well as the white house. >> there is cle

. >>> and later, the justice department says a texas redistricting plan would limit the voting power of hispanic residents in the state of texas. it's the same plan signed by governor rick perry. >>> and in "psycho talk," dick morris, disgraced campaign manager joined the kids on the couch at fox news this morning to talk about ohio's issue number two. steve asked morris about the upcoming ohio vote. >> dir ck, what do you think of sb-5 as it's known in ohio? >> before we do that, i want to point out flying 22 hours from hong kong to new york is a nightmare, not a dream. >> nonetheless. >> i think that this is a terribly important issue. a week from this coming tuesday, two weeks from yesterday, there will be an issue on the ballot in the state of ohio to repeal what's called senate bill five which is one of the most important and positive pieces of legislation to emerge in any state this year. >> pretty disgusting to watch four highly paid fox news personalities just yuck it up over an expensive overseas flight and praise issue two in the same breath. dick morris has no idea what wo

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it's i didn't understand, rather than i lied. >> reporter: now, the department of justice maintains thaty general misunderstood issa's question, it also claims just because the memos are addressed to holder doesn't necessarily mean, jon, he read them. we have no statements from the department of justice regarding this latest announcement from house judiciary regarding a letter or special counsel possibility. back to you. jon joond the story continues to unfold. stay on it for us, william la jeunesse, thanks. jenna: a lot to this story now. iowa senator chuck grassley is ranking republican on the judiciary committee, working with congressman issa on forecasts & furious and we've spoken several times, senator. first of all, your reaction to the news today. >> it just says how disenagain uous the people in the justice department and probably -- disingenuous the people in the justice department and probably holder are in explaining how they knew about fast & furious as opposed to gun running generally, because they're always saying they're talking about some other program other than fast & f

. >> reporter: attorney general eric holder says the justice department will take action against the iranian government as early as tuesday. >> we will not let other countries use our soil as their battleground. >> reporter: two people were charged in federal court in new york. federal agents say one of them, gholam shakuri is a member of iran's special operations unit known as the quds force and is still at large in iran. federal agents arrested 56-year- old manssor arbabsiar, an american and iranian citizen, at jfk airport in new york on september 29th. the justice department says arbabsiar offered an undercover dea agent posing as a member of a mexican drug cartel $1.5 million to carry out the assassination with bombs. a spokesman for the iranian mission to the united nations says the country's government categorically rejects what he calls the baseless allegations. secretary of state hillary clinton says the thwarted plot will further isolate the country. >> this kind of action, which violates international norms, must be ended. >> reporter: the justice department says no one was

i'm not going to get sheriffed off go to the justice department. want to know what you think and what president obama thinks about it. >> look, jay carney, you're right. but he doesn't know. >> bill: what do you mean he doesn't know? he works for the president. mr. obama tells mr. carney what he thinks about it and he goes out and tells us. >> forget it you are making a mistake. you think they care about this. they don't. nobody has beered to say to holder why didn't you read that memo? you know, who was responsible for briefing you on this? your' assuming they cared. they don't care. >> bill: let me explain why they don't care because nbc news hasn't covered the story since april. a bc news judge a smidgeon. cheryl broke all the memo so cbs had to do something about it. the new york times. they are not going to investigate it. but they had to know that henry and tapper the two toughest guys are going to zero in on this and -- >> this is starting to spin out of control for them which is why they lost it with a cbs reporter and carney was so ill pre

wondering if there is a connection or now we're hearing for now is that the state department the justice department the treasury department the white house they're all coming out with some type of response to iran attorney general eric holder if that's where we have no idea about how you think it's going to take for the bomb iran war hawks that we know so well to lindsey graham john mccain the john bolton the bill crystal's of the world to come out and say we have to bomb iran right now we've seen john bolton say it before last time when he said that israel only had eight days to do it. yeah i actually lose absolutely i think back to conversations i've had with ambassador bolton about this and i remember him telling me the same thing that what it is that israelis need to do or the americans needed to do was to either replace the leadership of iran or both of them so i'm not shocked if you're going to see a whole series of groups out there now say you know it's time to take out the your audience here taking me back to this question of well we didn't do that but he's released and so that is a real co

in the voting section of the justice department?t's right. >> tell us what that is. >> we enforce federal election law all around the country, whether it's the voting rights act, election day monitoring. improving of voting laws in 16 states under the section 5 voting acts. a lot of work. >> the voting rights act is obviously needed, and we have this whole issue that came up with the new black panthers outside a polling place in philadelphia, and what did the department of justice do? >> they dismissed it. the case went to default and they decided to dismiss the case in 2010. >> and that had an impact on you? >> i brought it. >> exactly. and why do you think they dismissed the case when you got these guys banging on these clubs, obviously a form of intimidation as people are trying to vote? >> look, everybody knows that the holder d.o.j. has become politicized. what they don't realize, and i detail this in injustice, parts of the d.o.j., particularly the civil rights acquisition where i was, has become radicalized. it's not just pol

and that's what the justice department says is really the issue here.ttorney general also testified at an earlier hearing in march when he said that he had heard about the program about the problems with the program early in 2011. so it's -- the justice department says it's the two people talking past each other here. and the question really does remain unresolved which is when did senior officials at the justice department find out the thing was going wrong and what did they do about it? and we'll learn more about that when an inspector general report come out. but the attorney general has already taken some actions here. he said he doesn't want this to happen again. and because of his actions, the u.s. attorney is out in arizona, the u.s. attorney in phoenix who was in charge of the prosecutions here and two officials at atf there have been reassigned. >> to get fast and furious to have launched this program, did the atf and the u.s. attorney, did they need signoff by anybody at the justice department here if washington? >> you know, i don't know the