she's one of my favorites, i got to -- [laughter] i've got a soft spot for justice ginsburg. and we've got more than a few members of congress here and members of my administration in the house, including our new director of jewish outreach, jarrod bernstein is here. where's jarrod? [applause] hey, jarrod. i also want to thank the west point jewish chapel cadet choir - [applause] -- the voice of tradition - for their wonderful performance, but more importantly, for their extraordinary service to our country. and i want to thank all the rabbis and lay leaders who have come far and wide to be here with us today. now, as i said, we're jumping the gun just a little bit. the way i see it, we're just extending the holiday spirit. we're stretching it out. [laughter] but we do have to be careful that your kids don't start thinking hanukkah lasts 20 nights instead of eight. [laughter] that will cause some problems. this hanukkah season we remember a story so powerful that we all know it by heart -- even us gentiles. it's a story of right over might, of faith over doubt. of a band of b

[laughter] i have got a soft spot for justice ginsburg. we have more than a few members of congress here. members of my administration in the house including the new director of jewish out reached. i also want to thank the west point jewish choir for their service to our country. i want to thank the rabbis and leaders that have come here. we are jumping the gun just a little bit. the way i see it, we are just extending the holiday. we are stretching it out. we do have to be careful that your kids do not start thinking that, alas 20 nights. that will cause problems. this hanukkah season, we remember a story so powerful that we all know it by heart, even us gentiles. the story of right over might come up of faith over doubt, of a band elite -- a band of believers who rose up and free their people and discovered that the oil left in their desecrated temple that only should have lasted one night lasted 8. for 2000 years, it has given hope to jews everywhere that are struggling. miracles, in all shapes and sizes. for many people in america, hon

first ten years and then he began to shift in the more recent years to the point now he and justice ginsburg do comprise the liberal side according to the way the scores are kept and when you get into the weeds of the different cases that's all a judgment call because you can call a decision liberal or conservative but be that as it may, i think gene would agree we can chase the statistical change to the advent of the ronald reagan era, some of the appointees i think justice stevens for whatever reason the and problems with their reasoning and he began to be a little more assertive in what is now identified as the liberal court particularly against the notions of contextualism in the original was a man that sort of thing. >> one of the first descriptions we received of john paul stevens as to his judicial philosophy was that he had no agenda, nothing idealistic. stevens himself considers the fact each justice appointed during his career as conservative as the predecessor of who succeeded with justice douglas and it is this comment he hasn't moved with the court has moved to the right. >> you

joan will be speaking with justice ruth bader ginsburg.ustice ginsburg, follows a distinguished career as a law professor herself was appointed a 1980 by president jimmy carter to the united states court of appeals in the d.c. circuit. she was elevated to the supreme court in 1990 by president bill clinton. so please, join me in welcoming both joan williams, professor of law and justice ruth bader ginsburg. thank you. [applause] >> i certainly want to start by welcoming new, justice ginsburg. justice ginsburg and i were talking before this and we realized that she was on the same faculty as my father, and i was in her daughter's law school class. [laughter] and son-in-law as well. and i wanted to thank you so much for coming out here. not everybody is willing to jump out of a plan on to an inflatable slide. [laughter] [applause] >> i didn't plan that as part of my journey here. [laughter] but i had a unique invitation from hastings law school. and it was this way, if it was even lee who said here is the program for the san francisco opera

justice ginsburg, we disagree with that, at least to the second. we think there is no difference between the degree of intrusion here and in bell, but there is another significant reason that not just in the nature of the search, but a big difference between this case and bell is that the inmates in that case made a voluntary choice. they decided to have a contact visits. >> to we know if the pretrial detainees in bell were also inspecting on entry into the facility? >> we do not. i tried everything i could to check the record of that case, and there was no record of an admission strip search. >> is there -- there is a distinction between the simple strip search and the visual body cavity search? they say that they apply reasonable suspicion standards to the visual body cavity search. so the visual bosnia to the body cavity search of the table? >> no, it is not. we contend that the fourth amendment prohibited the visual body cavity search at the essex facility. >> you would say that they had to have a reasonable or executable suspension. >> we say

i think it was -- >> justice ginsburg i had the same impression, whether you are commissioned or not commission doesn't necessarily mean you can't teach a religious class. and again, that is something that can be heard. you don't even want to hear it. >> it is not uncommon even with ordained ministers, it it is not uncommon for protestants to recognize and ordination from a different -- is similar so when they can't find a minister to cover a class and they hire another question from another conservative protestant denomination they say you are required to teach your. >> i'm sorry, going to the question that justice kagan asked you, if one of these protestant teachers that is not lutheran led the cafeteria prayer as they are required to, you are now saying that the law must recognize that lay teacher as a minister? and apply the ministerial exception even though the religion doesn't consider her a minister? >> i did not say that. >> that was the answer you gave, that she taught a religious class. >> she teaches a religion class. 's been what is her tradition has minister. that is wha

. >> ice absolutely agree with you, justice ginsburg. i think that that is further evidence that everybody knew that mr. maples didn't have any local counts in any meaningful sense. >> where does the constitution say by the way that you have to give notice, that every judicial action has to be noticed? >> well -- >> to the parties to the case? the federal group -- the federal will still require notice, do they? >> the constitution doesn't say that explicitly. >> and the federal rules don't say get. >> we think notice of a postconviction or any capital case would at least implicate a due process interest in receiving notice, that it's reasonable -- >> capital cases are different? if you're going to go to jail for life you don't give notice? >> i think under -- >> it's either a rule for all criminal cases or is not able. if it's a will for all criminal cases, the federal rules are passionate unconstitutional, using. >> the mullane case specifically takes into account the interest of the individual receiving notice. there could be no greate