congressman justin amash, thank you. >> thanks.he other side to what congressman mike pompeo pporting the nsa spine. congressman,hy? you heard what yr fellow republicans said. >> thank you for having me on the show. the good news in this case is that we don't have to give up any constitutial rights. we can keep america safe. these programs that the nsa are conducng despite what representative justin amash said , are wholly onstitutional and there is incredible oversight from allhree branches ofovernment, exactly how the founders intded it, article one oversight, folks like me who sit on the house intelligence committee. the program that is run bb article to an article three cous. confirmed. bees are programs that have been conducted lawfully and constitutionally. representative justin amash has kept a lot of americans say for a long time. john: you have up record of being skeptical of government. what you trust them on this? >> i don't trust individuals. there is no one who brings a deeper distressed to the federal governmento wash

-- we have been talking with, justin amash. , aning us is michael capuano democrat froma messages. i want to ask you buy a couple of bills. starting with the we are watching you act. what is that? companies toequire put the devices in your home such as a cable box capable of having cameras and microphones and 3-d imaging to build to determine what you are doing in your home. on the watching you in your own home. people would be informed that they are there. an option to get out of that. if anything is being recorded, it would scroll the words we are watching you. i thought it was science fiction when i actually -- when i first heard. i pulled some the patent applications. in the applications, they are describing something that is very scary and should be scared to anybody who cares about privacy. >> verizon is one of the companies that has a patent. >> they are not the only one area i am not mr. technology. -- they are not the only one. i have heard the xbox is how some of these. some tvs have the built in. to --tent is to be able verizon is no different to any bios. if this devic

representative justin amash has kept a lot of americans say for a long time. you have up record of being skeptical of government. what you trust them on this? >> i don't trust individuals. there is no one who brings a deeper distressed to the federal government to washington d.c. thene, but i have sn this process. the concerns that representative justin amash has about this data, he talks about them listing to calls and da mining. that just isn't haening. even mr. snowd has not don single thing that is unlawful. hes not uncovered a singge task that there has been an unlawful action. john: is it okay for them to just lie to us? %-intellence says this when asked about government surveillance. >> does the nsa collect any typ of data at alln million or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. john: what are the rules? >> the rules are you tell the truth. in that case, i've hea his story. is totally unacceptable. that is not how he shod have answered the question. he should have been more careful or given probably the most appropriatate answer. these are clas

you have guys from the very far left, guys like pete welch and peter defazio and guys like justin amashan and tom massey who are much closer together on this issue than i think we've seen in years. >> bill: right. yesterday, coming out saying snowden is a hero. michael moore and glenn beck. and bill press. there you go. [ laughter ] politics doesn't -- but i don't think it is a partisan matter. to me, it comes down to a legitimate debate about constitutional freedoms and the government's interference with them. and i can see where from the left -- but back to the democrats, there's no doubt in my mind if george bush were president of the united states, you know, they would be calling for his impeachment. they would be calling -- demanding hearings. just like the nsa wiretapping way back. right after 9-11. >> no, that's right. i think that's what -- because president obama will not be president forever and these laws, are still going to be in place. and i think that's what reporters should be holding the feet to the fire of these politicians. all right, have you been consistent with what

senate, of course, congressman john conyers, democrat from michigan and republican congressman justin amash. i am not sure where he is from. republican democrat who introduced legislation in the house that they -- that would say -- that would require, like senator durbin said the nsa to have a specific target if they are seeking phone records, have some reasonable suspicion that we want to go after these phone records. and if they do, you know go for it. no stopping them. get all of the information you want. listen to every telephone call that you want. but i still say, number 1, i think the nsa was just trying to cover its own ass yesterday. i don't believe that this program has been as successful as they say. they, by the way, did not show any connection that these 10 attacks or these 50 attacks or whatever were found out and thwarted by collecting information on every phone call that you make and that i make. they didn't say that because they can't make that case. i don't think this changes anything. how about you? do you believe the nsa? do you think it changes everything? do you think

tomorrow morning, my colleague justin amash and i will introduce a bill that will address the overbreadthand impenetrability of the surveillance programs. it is not the only proposal to address these problems. it should not be the only response to the broader questions we face. but it is a modest start, and i hope that my colleagues will join me. this is the time for members on both sides of the aisle to come together and help restore our nation to its proper role as a beacon for civil liberties around the world. i thank the chairman for indulging me additional time to make this statement. >> the chair thanks the gentleman, and without objection to other members of the single would be made a part of the record. we again thank director mueller for joining us today, and director, if you would please rise, i will begin by swearing u.n. -- swearing u.n. do you swear the test when you're about to give to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god? >> [inaudible] >> let the record let director mueller responded in the affirmative, and i will now introduce him. out o