this is all the more reason, speaking of justin amash, that we need an independent commission. i have written legislation with elijah cummings to have an independent commission. i hope justin amash is the second republican to join us in that pursuit, and i hope we can do it in a bipartisan manner because in prior events in the history of america, it's always shown the most progress when republicans and democrats come together, and never before have we seen a moment like this where we need republicans and democrats to really join together and say, this democracy is worth defending. >> do you -- walter jones i imagine is the other co-sponsor on that piece of legislation, the other republican that you have signed on. >> yes. >> how does this affect immediately what happens right now? i mean, a, there's a concern that like, you know, saturday night massacre style. the files are being sealed in the fbi and protected. but also the investigatio of the two mmittees. it seems to me you're going to have questions for how this all came about. >> right. we'll be back in session next week a

this morning, a republican lawmaker, congressman justin amash, told the hill newspaper that the claims in the alleged comey memo are true, it is grounds for impeachment. joining me now, pete williams. what does the special counsel role mean? >> it means he now makes all the decisions about the case that would have been made by the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. so he basically stands in the deputy's shoes in terms of making decisions about the case. he can also act as a prosecutor. he can file charges. he can do anything that a u.s. attorney would. he has all those powers. how do i know the answer to that question? because this is under longstanding rules that have been in effect basically since 1999 when congress let the so-called independent counsel law lapse. that's what ken starr was during the white water investigation. so we know what the rules are that govern special counsel, and of course we also have, as required by the law, the sort of charter, if you will, that bob mueller will have in terms of what to investigate. and it's the russian matter. it's whether any trump

. >> that was our own kristen welker chasing down justin amash on the hill.en with us. kristen,getting a lot of that up there? >> reporter: i am, nicolle. >> it's not you. >> reporter: it's not just me, no. i think the question as are getting tougher. it's getting tougher to answer those questions, nicolle. let me give yukon text for what we just saw, congressman justin amash was asked earlier by reporters if the comey memo is true, does he see that as grounds for impeachment? he said, yes. when we followed up with his office later in the day, they didn't back away from those comments. they echoed what we heard from them, they had nothing further to add and obviously the congressman had nothing further to add, either. he's not necessarily emblematic of the entire republican party, nicolle. this is someone who is far right, he's someone who typically is critical of his own party and of the president, but at the same time we are seeing more and more republicans in the house and in the senate express concern and criticism of what they're seeing in this white hou

i just talked to my buddy justin amash on the floor of the house. he qualified his statement.f it's true. sof what we are talking about here is a verbal conveyance of an alleged memo from an unnamed associate who could be described as a disgruntled former employ yeast administration reported through a biased news srce. you ve that one one side. and then you have the official white house statement on the other. i'll go with the official white house statement until we get more facts on the table. we just announced the oversight committee on which i served is going to have a hearing next wednesday on the f.b.i.'s independence. and in fact james comey has been invited our chairman jason chaffetz to attend that hearing. kennedy: do you have think he will attend? does he have to be compelled? how do you get him to show up? there are a lot of people on your committee and a lot of voters who were concerned and have a lot of pictures they would like to see answered. >> we have the power of subpoena in the oversight committee. but i doubt that will be necessary. i think there is a high

you mentioned a good friend of ours congressman justin amash.even a moderate conservative republican in the senate such as richard burr whose the chair chair of the senate intelligence committee is pretty to the enormous array of the national security. i've had a lot of interplay with director comey hinting there should be an independent investigation as well. we don't know who the new fbi director will be but we do know donald trump did not fire the entire fbi, just fired the director. theoretically the investigation should proceed at a pace. the director so far but the field level to conduct an investigation and he es nee an supervisor. this receives reports on it. hopefully whatever investigation there is help their will proceed apace a side from the speed bum. canby let's talk about jeff sessions because he has recused himself from the issue and he is the one who would have to appoint a special prosecutor. >> a special prosecutor would be appointed by rod rosenstein who is the deputy attorney general. a special prosecutor would be investigat

so you've got justin amash who is not adding any comments now, saying maybe this is impeachment worthy. the president, talking about putting reporters in prison and john mccain said all of this noise is receiving watergate size and scale. what can you tell us about this environment? >> what mr. comey was concerned about was leaks. there were a lot of leaks. about mike flynn's investigaon th the ambassador, mr. trump's qualls the foreign leaders have leaked and mr. trump wanted the fbi to do something about it. he was really frustrated by it. and he talked about the details and mr. trump said, look, when we were putting people in prison for this many years ago about, ten years ago, there were some results here. and that was the suggestion about putting reporters in prison. >> whether we're talking about leaks from the intelligence committee or leaks within the white house, is it not iron hike the first businessman to president, wasn't new managing a company, the issues he is facing about are about managing people. >> yes. and he has not assembled a team that either he is listening or th

congress members carlos curbelo of florida, justin amash of michigan, and walter jones of north carolina have said trump may have committed an impeachable offense. president trump lashed out at the media wednesday for the scandals rocking his administration. trump was speaking at a commencement ceremony at the coast guard academy in connecticut. pres. trump: no politician in history -- and i say this with great surety -- has been treated worse or more unfairly. you can't let them get you down. you can't let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams. amy: during his speech, president trump promised graduating coast guard cadets he would never stop fighting for them. in fact, trump has proposed slashing the coast guard's budget by $1.3 billion, or about 12%. president trump is departing to saudi arabia friday for his first trip abroad as president. he is slated to give a speech about islam, which is being written by the islamaphobic white house senior advisor stephen miller. miller was the architect of trump's muslim first travel ban, which sought to block all refugees an

michigan republican congressman justin amash never shy about criticizing his own party or mr. trump, telling reporters this morning, he sees grounds for impeachment if the comey memo is true. . earlier today you said the president should be impeached if the comey memo is true. do you stand by that. >> do you think the president may have obstructed 1yu69 is? >> i have nothing further to add. >> reporter: rank and file republicans largely standing by the president. >> at this point i have not seen anything that is that alarming. >> if you polled his supporters today, i would bet you he has roughly the same support he had in the election. >> reporter: trying to capitalize on the gop discord, a democrat calling for impeachment on the house floor. >> i will not be moved, the president must be impeached. >> reporter: reaction pouring in from trump voters in some of those districts, linking north carolina. >> to see how he is pushing against a system that has checks and balances for a reason, i -- my opinion of him is quite different than it was before. >> reporter: a no show, wiscon

. >> republicans can't be okay with th >> reporter: tonight, one republican congressman justin amash reportedly saying if the allegations in the comey memo are true it could be an impeachable offense. >> mr. speaker do you still have full confidence in the president? >> i do. >> reporter: 118 days into the new administration, republicans had hoped to be plowing ahead with their agenda, health care, tax reform, deregulation. instead they're careening from crisis to crisis. on the campaign trail, trump warned this would happen under a hillary clinton's presidency. >> if hillary clinton is elected she'll be understo investigatio. the investigation will last for years. to nothing will get done. >> that was the prediction had hillary clinton been elected. mary bruce on capitol hill tonight. we could see former fbi director james comey testifying next week. >> reporter: the house oversight wants the former fbi director to testify at a hearing here next wednesday. the senate intelligence committee is also eager to hear from comey. the top democrat on that committee telling me he's as confid

. >> reporter: michigan's justin amash today became the first thpublican to say the president's actions might merit impeachment. >> i think it's pretty clear i have more confidence in director comey. >> reporter: the latest allegations have deeply rattled many republicans. >> it would be very serious, and i would think that the justice department would take a look at that. >> i think it's reaching a point where it's of watergate size and scale. >> reporter: three republican- led committees have sent letters to the f.b.i. seeking any notes or memorandum prepared by the former director, memorializing interactions he had with presidents trump and obama. >> obviously, republicans ought to be concerned. >> reporter: but for every concerned republican, there are several others who doubt the report. >> a lot of it is all n.eculation. >> the facts just aren't in. ha i'm convinced that the g esident did nothing that he thought was outside the best interest of this country. >> reporter: and house speaker paul ryan urged critics not to rush to judgment. >> it is obvious there are some people out t

michigan republican congressman justin amash never shy about criticizing his ontario party or mr.rump, telling the reporters this morning, he sees grounds for impeachment if the comey memo is true. earlier you said the president should be impeached if the comey comment is true. >> i have nothing further to add. >> reporter: do you upg the president obstructed justice? >> i have nothing further to add. >> reporter: they are largely standing be i the president. >> at this point i, you know, have not said anything that is that alarming. >> if you polled his supporters today, he will have roughly the same support as in the election. >> reporter: trying to chemicalize on the gop discord a democrat calling for impeachment on the house floor. >> i will not be moved. the president must be impeached. >> reporter: today reaction pouring in for trump voters in those districts, lincoln carolina. >> to see how he is pushing against the system that does have checks and balances for a reason. my opinion of him is quite different tan before. >> reporter: kenosha, wisconsin. >> everything he does

. >> reporter: tonight, one republican, congressman justin amash, even reportedly saying if the allegations in the comey memo are true it could be an impeachable offense. the speaker of the house is still backing the president, but not without hesitation. >> mr. speaker, do you still have full confidence in the president? >> i do. >> reporter: 118 days into the new administration, republicans had hoped to be plowing ahead with their agenda -- health care, tax reform, deregulation. but instead they're careening from crisis to crisis. on the campaign trail, trump >> i want to get to mary bruce on capitol hill tonight. we could see former fbi director james comey on the hill as soon as next week, still. >> the house oversight committee want him to testify at a hearing here next wednesday. the senate intelligence committee is also eager to hear from comey. the top democrat on that committee telling me he's as confident as anything that comey will be testifying soon. david. >> mary bruce live on the hill, tonight, thank you. >>> i want to bring in dan abrams, we heard from pierre thomas off the

joining us is michigan congressman justin amash. how are you, sir? let's talk about the budget. north lindsey grams pant john mccains as well as the deblasios and clintons of the world are up in arms and upset. are there bright spots for those who love freedom? >> sure, there are bright spots. having mick mulvaney there helps. he's a fiscal conservative. we served with him in the house liberty and the house freedom caucus. i'm sure he's dweeg can to find those places to find where the federal government is overreaching. kennedy: one thing he talked about is an important point. when bill deblasio says this budget will make children sick and they will die because it doesn't spend enough money on social programs, doesn't it also do a great disservice to future generations? general now will have -- children now will have to pay for the out of control spending implicit in a bill that's trim around the edges? >> there is a lot of hyperbole out there. the real problem going forward. we are making the next generation pay for the things we want today. that's not way the framers designed

within the hour, justin amash, a member of congress, republican is joining calls about a special investigationis not as if he it is just democrats here. however, do you, the democrats risk real blowback from voters who are way more interested in sort of kitchen economics? they ban to see certain plans and certain policies go through from tax cuts to perhaps a big infrastructure bill? >> right, right. i do appreciate that some republicans are beginning to step up and really, i think join the chorus of democrats calling for an independent commission, special prosecutor. we need more to do that as well. if jason amash, done that all more to him. i do recognize senator burr has been doing bipartisan nature in the senate. we're seeing more of that in the house as well. i think we can walk and chew gum at the same time this is too critical an issue on our country. an attack we know, every head of every intelligence agency just yesterday said russia was involved in trying to undermine our elections and in frances around the world that goes at core who we are as a democracy. liz: if the democrats real

justin amash comes to mind, critical the way the president reacted when they were early opponents to his, sort of strong-arming them on the original health care measure. and that they're salivating at opportunity to return the favor to him. it gets back to the agenda where this president is counting on them to deliver the goods. now they go back to him, well, about those goods. >> here's the thing, all of those republicans from the most moderate to the most conservative like justin amash, praised donald trump when he was doing a good job. gave the speech at joint session of congress united everybody. everybody was ready to get agenda done. when trump is out there succeeding moderates will rally behind him. when trump is fighting divisive media battles, maybe he didn't need to be fired, but did it have to be right now? neil: there were enough doubts about him and he was handling the whole. mail thing. now -- russian investigation all that, that is going on. so this looks like it's a way to silence all of that. it might not be the case but that is how it is interpreted where he pounced

justin amash, the republican of michigan, is joining elijah cummings in calling for an independent commission to be struck to look into this and take it out of the hands of the fbi. >> shepard: thanks, john. the head of the fbi is looking at this and directly going against the white house and his team. the investigation into russian meddling next. ♪ fun in art class. come close, come close. i like that. [ music stops suddenly ] ah. when your pain reliever stops working, your whole day stops. awww. try this. for minor arthritis pain, only aleve can stop pain for up to 12 straight hours with just one pill. thank you. ♪ come on everybody. you can't quit, neither should your pain reliever. stay all day strong with 12 hour aleve. >> shepard: the new acting director of the fbi shot down today some of the claims from the white house and president trump about the bureau's russia investigation and former director james comey. the fbi acting director andrew mccabe testifying at a hearing on national security threats. he directly contradicted statements from the trump administration about the bureau's r

the house overtight committee member, justin amash tells the hill that if the president did ask to quash the investigation it would merit impeachment. the trial would be in the senate hypothetically. paul ryan is standing by the president. he says he expects congress to hear from james comey and warns republicans to not jump to conclusions and says we need the facts. >> it's obvious there's some people out there that want to harm the president. we have an obligation to carry out our oversight regardless of which party is in the white house. before rushing to judgment, we get all the pertinent information. >> shepard: a recorder shouted a question at speaker ryan asking if he has full confidence in the president and speaker ryan said "i do." some lawmakers are asking about the confidence after sharing confidential information with the russian ambassador. this happened during a meeting at the white house the day after the white house fired director comey. the white house says the information was wholly inappropriate. mcmasters said that phrase nine times. today vladimir putin has weighed i

it gained confidence from a republican, justin amash, one who's received a lot of pressure from his constituentsfornia congressmen eric swallow well joins us now. let me ask you about these remarks from the president and the remarks today from the white house podium saying essentially that the comey firing was about the russia investigation it seems like a blunt dropping of pretense as far as i'm concerned. i wanted to get your reaction. >> he mentioned it in the letter his security guard. this is a pattern of obstruction we've seen from the president from the deceitful claim about president obama wire tapping him to tweeting at sally yates before she testified. and now this clear statement that they want this investigation to go away. and rachel, i'll also say members of congress are home right now in their districts and i've spent the last week talking five different rotary clubs. what i've heard from my constituents is that this stinks. you can't fire guy that's investigating you. right now it doesn't look like we're getting a good investigation. >> if the white house does officially drop the

and today congressman justin amash said if the allegations behind comey's memo are true, it is groundsash didn't back down from that statement when kristen welker literally chased him down today. >> if the comey memo turns out to be true, will you call for impeachment? >> i have nothing further to add. >> do you stand by your comments? >> i have nothing further on add. >> whose word do you trust more? >> i have nothing further to add. >> you asked the president should be impeached. >> i have nothing further to add. >> do you think the president may have obstructed justice. >> i have nothing to add. the best selling suv in america. titan, with america's best truck warranty. and the most advanced safety features on alitma and our best selling models. that's why we're america's fastest-growing auto brand. get 0% financing for up to 72 months on 11 models. ♪ p3 planters nuts, jerky and whaseeds.at? i like a variety in my protein. totally, that's why i have this uh trail mix. wow minty. p3 snacks. the more interesting way to get your protein. ykeep you sidelined.ng that's why you drink ensu

so republican congressman justin amash says if the memo about the president pressuring james comey to is true, that would merit impeachment. is this the growing feeling mongss the gop? >> certainly not. congressman amash is probably a far outlie. i think what i think the, from what your clip with mr. green and amash, the politicians, the elected officials ought to turn down the volume a little bit. we ought to let the special investigator, mr. mueller, proceed to find out what happened with the russian interference of the election. to find out if there are real facts as opposed to speculation, driven by sxleeks political posturing, to let the facts take the prosecutor, the folks of the fbi, the justice department to where they lie as opposed to everyone running on tv or the stand-ups, making commentary about things they don't know fully and trying to do it for political advantages. i think it is distracting from what the congress, the president, the executive branch of the congress, ought to be focused on. >> i know you're toiching weiit weigh in. i know mccain smk saying it is not ra

republicans seem open to the idea of impeachment for the president, one of the first was congressman justin amashigan and kristen welker tried to get him to elaborate. >> earlier today you said that the president should be impeached if the comey memo is true. do you stand by that comment? >> i have nothing further to add. >> do you think the president may have obstructed justice? >> i have nothing further to add. >> do you still have full confidence in the president. >> i have nothing further to add. i use what's already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what's within me with once-weekly trulicity. trulicity is not insulin. it helps activate my body to do what it's supposed to do release its own insulin. trulicity responds when my blood sugar rises. i take it once a week, and it works 24/7. it comes in an easy-to-use pen and i may even lose a little weight. trulicity is a once-weekly injectable prescription medicine to improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise. trulicity i

john mccain and justin amash who is a libertarian and very principled in those views.together and saying hey, something is amiss here. we really have to put principle over party. and i think there perhaps the first wave. i would like to say i'm optimistic that more republicans are going to follow their example. but i really -- i think that this is going to be probably divided pretty strictly down partisan lines. at least in the near future. but as more information drips out and the trickle starts and the leaks have already started, you look at 30 sources in that "washington post" story tonight. there are a lot of people who know a lot of what's been going on with this scandal. and i just don't see it stopping any time soon. >> and we do have some republicans asking for more information. ben sasse, who is the chairman of a judiciary subcommittee asking the justice department, wants the deputy attorney general to give more clarity about why james comey was fired. jason chaffetz sending a letter to the inspector general, wanting the inspector general to review why comey w

9/11-style commission, if you will, which obviously has been done in the past and we've heard justin amash on the house side -- >> i'm going to interrupt you -- michael, i need to interrupt you. mitch mcconnell is speaking with director comey now. >> both at that time and consistently thereafter. last year the current democratic leader said it appeared to be an appalling act, one that he said goes against the tradition of prosecutors at every level of government. and the prior democratic leader, when i asked if james comey should resign given his conduct of the investigation, he replied of course. yes. it's also clear what our democratic colleagues think of the man who evaluated mr. comey's professional conduct and concluded that the bureau needed a change in leadership. the democratic leader just a few weeks ago raised mr. rosenstein for his independence and said he had developed a reputation for integrity. so what we have are our democratic colleagues complaining about the removal of an fbi director who they themselves repeatedly and sharply criticized. that removal being done by a man,

republican representative justin amash took to twitter saying claim was "bizarre" and calling for an independent commission to investigate trump's link to russia. he tweeted -- "my staff and i are reviewing legislation to establish an independent commission on russia. the second paragraph of this letter is bizarre." republican senator jeff flake tweeted -- "i've spent the last several hours trying to find an acceptable rationale for the timing of comey's firing. i just can't do it." glenn greenwald, can you talk about what trump was saying in october 2016 and what he said in the letter? >> certainly. that clip we just watched them as you said, was from october. there he was praising comey for having sent that last-minute letter to congress announcing the reopening of the investigation. that does not seem to be the reason they are pretending to have fired trump. there pretending to have fired trump is what they are -- nermeen: fired comey. >> yes, ask me. is the press conference comey held in which he stood up and announced the criminal investigation into her clinton was coming to an

a vote of confidence from a republican member of congress, member of the house freedom caucus, justin amash the most conservative lawmakers in the capitol who has received a lot of pressure from his constituents on this issue. joining us now is california congressman eric swalwell. congressman, thanks for joining us. we really appreciate it. >> thanks, rachel. nice tot back. >> let me ask you about these remarks from the president and the remarks today from the white house podium saying essentially that the comey firing was about the russia investigation. it seems like a blunt dropping of pretense as far as i'm concerned. i wanted to get your reaction. >> and the president mentioned the russia investigation in the letter he had his security guard deliver to the director. this is a pattern of obstruction we've seen from the president from the deceitful claim about president obama allegedly wiretapping him to tweeting at sally yates before she testified. and now this clear statement that they want this investigation to go away. and rachel, i'll also just say, members of congress are home righ

republican congressman justin amash of michigan went so far as to say, if the comey memo is true, itld be grounds for impeachment. but california democrat adam schiff, ranking member on the house intelligence committee and a leading trump critic, said it's too soon to go there. >> no one ought to, in my view, rush to embrace, you know, the most extraordinary remedy, that involves the removal the president from office. >> reporter: meanwhile, russian president vladimir putin made his own offer to congress, over reports that president trump discussed highly classified information with russian diplomats last week. putin spoke at a news conference in sochi, russia. >> ( translated ): if the u.s. considers it necessary, we are ready to provide the senate and u.s. congress with a record of the conversation between lavrov and trump. >> reporter: putin also decried what he called "anti-russian sentiment." special correspondent nick schifrin covers russia. he spoke to us from the dagestan region. >> president putin expressed genuine frustration that, in his view, the washington establishment

. >> reporter: one republican congressman, justin amash reportedly saying if the allegations in the comeythe speaker of the house is still backing the president, but not without hesitation. >> mr. speaker, do you still have full confidence in the president? >> i do. >> reporter: 118 days into the new administration, republicans had hoped to be plowing ahead with their agenda. health care, tax reform, deregulation. but instead, they're careening from crisis to crisis. as for calls for comey to testify. the house oversight committee is hoping the former fbi director will be here at a hearing next week. the senate intelligence committee is eager to hear from comey too. the top democrat on the committee telling me he is as confident as anything, comey will be testifying soon. but still no response yet from the former fbi director. mary bruce, abc news, capitol hill. >> after the week the president has had, you get the seps he would be happy to get out of town. the president begins his first overseas trip. the eight-day journey will take him to places saudi arabia, israel, the vatican, italy,

neil: what senator mccain says this is something of a scale ever watergate or justin amash is saying,d his druthers between trusting what comey is saying, white house is saying he trusts comey, what do you think is going on here? >> i say republicans need to rally around the president. they need to rally around our captain and leader of our party who millions of voters elected because they know he is coming to washington to fight for them. they should not get caught up in the distraction being put before them by the media and democrats. all they want to do is obstruct us and prevent us getting things done. when american people see us focus on policies and wages back to their states, and focusing on manufacturing, and on, building homes and all the things that we need to do as a country, they will recognize that republicans are here to fight for them. don't get distracted by what the democrats and media are trying to do. neil: a lot of both are focusing on comments apparently that house majority leader kevin mccarthy made last summer he was just joking about vladmir putin paying off do

we have republican justin amash out of michigan saying there should be an independent commission to lookthe trump/russia activities. darrell issa out of southern california saying there should be a special prosecutor, and you're seeing more and more republicans starting to put country above party, and eventually we'll get to the truth. >> to your point, even jason chaffetz who said he couldn't look hess daughter in her ice, but there are some movement. the reason year includings won't move is the polls. let's look at gallup's approval rating this is may 1st through the 7th. he as got 40% of independents, the average is 42, an historical low, but in your view, as long he's at 84% with republicans, do you foresee republicans ever, ever impeaching somebody who their own voters support? >> i do not. that's why the midterm election in a year and a half are so important. let me just give you two words why they're important -- subpoena power. if the democrats control the house, we can control the subpoenas, that means we can do a real investigation, and demand documents and have witnesses come

and congressman justin amash pointing out my staff and i are reviewing information to establish an independentn russia. the second paragraph of this letter is bizarre. referring to donald trump's letter to james comey. this caught everybody by surprise and we'll wait for more developments this morning. i can tell you i talked to sarah huckabee sanders, the white house spokesperson this morning, who said that she was not aware of whether or not the president had directed this review by the deputy attorney general of james comey. so we'll wait and see more from the white house about how this decision came about and why it was announced so suddenly last night. >> eamon, thank you very much. eamon javers. joining us right now on the phone is ron hosko, former assistant fbi director under robert mueller and james comey. he is now the president of the law enforcement legal defense fund and ron, thank you for joining us today. what's your reaction to this move? >> it was like, i think, my former colleagues over at the fbi, shocked certainly a certain amount of sadness. i worked for jim comey. i thoug

also the fact that senator ben sasse, senator bob corker, all republicans, justin amash, republicans,should he wait after he has a letter like that from the deputy attorney general? the timing is not trump's choice. the timing was the deputy attorney general's choice. brand new guy, walks in, looks around, as career professional, this is crazy. you not not possibly rebuild the fbi there? their argument is with rosenstein. what should trump have done sat on it? if trump had gotten letter, sat on it, comey chem his job, he only kept comey because there is deal, the fix is in, he has a blackmail comey at anytime. trump did cleanest thing he could do, he has been told by the professional, remember the senate endorsed 94-6, again this is the guy who president obama picked to be u.s. attorney for maryland. so he gets a letter from hims saying you know, we can't fix the fbi while comey is there. what does he do? wait a month or two? ainsley: he can't win, no matter what he does the mainstream media will go after him. >> that's right. ainsley: who should he take his place. rudy giuliani, chri