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here is michael cohen from about a year ago now with justin amash. >>. >> you suggested that the president sometimes communicates his wishes indirectly. for example, you said, quote, mr. trump did not directly tell me to lie to congress. that's not how he operates, end quote. can you explain how he does this? >> sure. it would be no different if i said that's the nicest looking tie i've ever seen. isn't it? what are you going to do? are you going to fight with him? the answer is no. the answer is yes, it's the nicest looking tie i've ever seen. he doesn't give you questions or orders. he speaks in a code, and i understand the code, because i've been around him for a decade. >> it was from february 27th.
here is michael cohen from about a year ago now with justin amash. >>. >> you suggested that the president sometimes communicates his wishes indirectly. for example, you said, quote, mr. trump did not directly tell me to lie to congress. that's not how he operates, end quote. can you explain how he does this? >> sure. it would be no different if i said that's the nicest looking tie i've ever seen. isn't it? what are you going to do? are you going to fight with him? the answer...
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seeing tons of democrats voting for justin amash. he's very conservative. one of the most conservative members of congress. so i think if he ran, do i think he can win? probably not. do i think he takes much more -- many more votes from donald trump than elizabeth warren? i do. josh: just to clarify, you said you're a never trumper under all circumstances, but would you support if it came down to a two-candidate race between warren or sanders versus trump, would you vote for the democrat? sarah: we're going to assume they're the only two people in there. yeah. it's a tough thing to have to answer. but there's no -- and look, if it was elizabeth wear rernings i would probably turn around immediately and figure out how do you, again, how do you reconstitute the republican party, how do you beat elizabeth warren with somebody who is a responsible and hopefully inspiring person on the right who has kind of a new vision for what the party could be? but i think that donald trump is an existential threat to the country. i don't think he has
seeing tons of democrats voting for justin amash. he's very conservative. one of the most conservative members of congress. so i think if he ran, do i think he can win? probably not. do i think he takes much more -- many more votes from donald trump than elizabeth warren? i do. josh: just to clarify, you said you're a never trumper under all circumstances, but would you support if it came down to a two-candidate race between warren or sanders versus trump, would you vote for the democrat?...
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what's justin amash's next move? then elizabeth warren says she has a plan to pay for medicare for all. what is it? let's go out front. good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, president trump slamming republicans, saying democrats are more loyal to each other. accusing his party of not being tough and not standing by him. >> they have to get tougher and fight because the democrats are trying to hurt the republican party for the election, which is coming up. they don't have mitt romney in their midst. they don't have people like that. they stick together. you never see them break off. >> that is how trump is trying to motivate republicans to defend himself against mounting impeachment investigation, an investigation which is about to hear from a star witness, trump's top diplomat in ukraine, bill taylor, who will defy trump's efforts to stay silent and testify behind closed doors. taylor could be one of the biggest threats to trump's presidency at this time. what he says tomorrow could cause more cracks to
what's justin amash's next move? then elizabeth warren says she has a plan to pay for medicare for all. what is it? let's go out front. good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, president trump slamming republicans, saying democrats are more loyal to each other. accusing his party of not being tough and not standing by him. >> they have to get tougher and fight because the democrats are trying to hurt the republican party for the election, which is coming up. they don't have mitt...
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justin amash is no longer a republican. we expect him to vote for impeachment. do any of the retiring republican members of the house, will hurd, for example, the other 20 or so have announced they're retiring. do any of them vote for the impeachment rules? that would be a shocking thing for the white house to see any republicans. i predict it would probably launch a tweet storm. meanwhile, there's nothing on the president's agenda today, as i think was pointed out. he's doing thes same thing we' doing. he's sitting there watching. >> they're watching carefully. of course, as there may be a few republicans whoma stray, there e also potentially democrats who stray or who the speaker doesn't feel are s needed to get over t majorityve hurdle here and may allowed to stray. i want m to go to kristen welke keeping a keen eye on this both from the white house and working your sources on the hill. what are you hearing? >> reporter: ari, we know the white house thinks, as many as four to five democrats actually may flip, to your point there. they'll be watching that clos
justin amash is no longer a republican. we expect him to vote for impeachment. do any of the retiring republican members of the house, will hurd, for example, the other 20 or so have announced they're retiring. do any of them vote for the impeachment rules? that would be a shocking thing for the white house to see any republicans. i predict it would probably launch a tweet storm. meanwhile, there's nothing on the president's agenda today, as i think was pointed out. he's doing thes same thing...
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. >> my guest, former republican now independent congressman justin amash of michigan, and brett mcgirt, who ran policies for presidents obama and trump. >> also, the democratic race. >> your signature is to have a plan for everything except this. >> i'll talk to mayor pete buttigieg who just had his most aggressive debate performance yet. joining me for insight and analysis are dan balz, danielle pletka, joshua johnson, and betsy woodruff swan of the daily beast. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history. this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. this week, we saw president trump test the limits of his presidency, gambling on how much the public, his party, and the world can accept. at home, mr. trump tested the limits of how much the public is willing to believe. shortly after his chief of staff mick mulvaney said yes, of course, the president held back aid to ukraine as a quid pro quo, he had to revise and extend his remarks saying there was absolutely no quid pro quo. on chill, mr.
. >> my guest, former republican now independent congressman justin amash of michigan, and brett mcgirt, who ran policies for presidents obama and trump. >> also, the democratic race. >> your signature is to have a plan for everything except this. >> i'll talk to mayor pete buttigieg who just had his most aggressive debate performance yet. joining me for insight and analysis are dan balz, danielle pletka, joshua johnson, and betsy woodruff swan of the daily beast....
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theris one former republican now an independent, justin amash, who is likely to vote with the demrats. there might be at least one democrat who votes with republicans against setting of these rules. but this is going to be a significant moment when thees country realhese public hearings are going to take place. those could starthas early as second week in november. and for all the leaks and formation out of the private depositions, the public ones will be very explicit and will that's explosive -- will be very explosive and will dominate the news claerage nonstop. a: we know that democrats want to hear from john bolton. do you think he will show, the former national security advisoth reid: that ifascinating question, especially given today that several of his advisers have been called to testify. some of the advisors who testified today were advising nethe special envoy to ukr this seems to be building towards a moment where john bolton comes out and makes public what all these other people have said, that he brought up concerns about rudy giuliani's involvement in the whole process.
theris one former republican now an independent, justin amash, who is likely to vote with the demrats. there might be at least one democrat who votes with republicans against setting of these rules. but this is going to be a significant moment when thees country realhese public hearings are going to take place. those could starthas early as second week in november. and for all the leaks and formation out of the private depositions, the public ones will be very explicit and will that's explosive...
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justin amash voted with the democrats. okay. that's the definition, folks, of party line. legally, doesn't change much of anything. but symbolically, lawmakers are drawing their lines in the sand and at least for now, today's vote makes clear that washington is still extraordinarily divided on this issue. and that republicent and democrats are retreating to their corners. a reporting team has been all over the action today. garrett haake is on the hill. kelly o'donnell at the white house. let's start on the hill where we have testimony taking place with mr. morrison there. so, garrett, we've learned a little something. but it's interesting, some of the republicans in there have come out and they believe mr. morrison has been helpful to the president. >> yeah, that's true. chuck, it feels like that was about six weeks ago there's been so much going on capitol hill today. morrison's testimony, as you pointed out in the open, was largely confirmtory for what bill taylor has said about the arm or the aid for investigations part of this. but what morrison also told the committe
justin amash voted with the democrats. okay. that's the definition, folks, of party line. legally, doesn't change much of anything. but symbolically, lawmakers are drawing their lines in the sand and at least for now, today's vote makes clear that washington is still extraordinarily divided on this issue. and that republicent and democrats are retreating to their corners. a reporting team has been all over the action today. garrett haake is on the hill. kelly o'donnell at the white house. let's...
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justin amash was critical of what's going on there. >> he's moving troops back into iraq. he's moving other troops into saudi arabia, and he's using our forces almost as paid mercenaries who will go in. as long as saudi arabia pays us some money, it's good to go. what happened to the american people having their voices heard through their voices in congress. jon: i stand corrected. he was a republican, and now is a independent. the blowback the president has taken on this syria policy, even republicans are jumping on board. >> there are also as i think we all know by now, there are some people at the pentagon who expressed some anxiety about this. there are veterans groups that expressed plenty of anxiety and annoyance. there are people on the evangelical right who expressed annoyance on this. many of the kurds are christians. this is a case of the president really spending a serious amount of his political capital within his own base on this. and and at sort of a risky time. we are seeing some republicans getting leery of the president's behavior with regard to ukraine. t
justin amash was critical of what's going on there. >> he's moving troops back into iraq. he's moving other troops into saudi arabia, and he's using our forces almost as paid mercenaries who will go in. as long as saudi arabia pays us some money, it's good to go. what happened to the american people having their voices heard through their voices in congress. jon: i stand corrected. he was a republican, and now is a independent. the blowback the president has taken on this syria policy,...
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lindsey graham and other uber hawks, agreeing as you me mention with tulsi gab a- gaberts and justin amashes in the world. kennedy: here the president, i don't know if he got on the phone with erdogan said, that sounds like a great idea, you are a trust worthy guy, he is not. or just trying to shift focus off impeachment. >> i am probably one that agrees with president the most here, not that i'm pro whatever turkey is trying to di look at that to kurdish issue. the closest thing that turkey have to a state is north -- kurds i am sorry, northern iraq, they will start a state in iraq, that is where a lot of our relationship. kennedy: iraq is still functioning, syria is not. syria is ready to be carved up like a thanksgiving duringy. >turkey. >> the whole place is aness. kennedy: mess. kennedy: in particular syria. >> it is a failed state. we're helping support the north. the thing that keeps coming back to me is same day that announcement of made with same day that we announce we have a tril condollar in debt, in back of my mind, when i think about these expensive foreign contests, i come bac
lindsey graham and other uber hawks, agreeing as you me mention with tulsi gab a- gaberts and justin amashes in the world. kennedy: here the president, i don't know if he got on the phone with erdogan said, that sounds like a great idea, you are a trust worthy guy, he is not. or just trying to shift focus off impeachment. >> i am probably one that agrees with president the most here, not that i'm pro whatever turkey is trying to di look at that to kurdish issue. the closest thing that...
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independent michigan congressman justin amash favorite impeachment, that means they could lose 19 of their own and still impeach. the problem is there are 31 house democrats who represent districts donald trump won in 2016 meaning at least 12 democrats on turf friendly to the president would have to vote for impeachment. democrats need polls to catch up. a new cbs poll finds 55% of americans back the impeachment increase was a to be at poll shows 47% back the real deal and find 56% of voters believe lawmakers supporting it are doing so based on partisan politics, not facts. congress is on recess, lawmakers are conducting townhall's. what they hear from constituents could dictate where impeachment goes after the break. >> ukraine's top prosecutor says he will take another look at corruption investigations including one with ties to joe biden's and hunter. the fallout from donald trump's invitation to china to look into the bidens, we will look into that next. while an optimal melatonin level means no next-day grogginess. zzzquil pure zzzs. naturally superior sleep. at outback, steak &
independent michigan congressman justin amash favorite impeachment, that means they could lose 19 of their own and still impeach. the problem is there are 31 house democrats who represent districts donald trump won in 2016 meaning at least 12 democrats on turf friendly to the president would have to vote for impeachment. democrats need polls to catch up. a new cbs poll finds 55% of americans back the impeachment increase was a to be at poll shows 47% back the real deal and find 56% of voters...
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week with only nine democrats left in the house who have not explicitly come out to support and justin amashe joined democrats in their calls. there are still a majority that wants to see the president removed from office. recent polls show support for impeaching the president hovering around 50%. join us now, my friend jonathan capehart and jonathan allen. let's start with republicans, mr. allen. how significant is it that mit romney had come out and repute what the president have said? >> it is significance in this way, he's offering a leadership path as you suggest for other republicans to say this is wrong. for them to find a place of sort of impeachment to stand up and say this is not the way that the american president should function or not necessarily voting for or calling for an impeachment. you have elected republican officials through their silence and through their act support of the president endorsed saying the president of the united states using office of the presidency, using the power of the united states government to investigate a potential political opponent in foreign c
week with only nine democrats left in the house who have not explicitly come out to support and justin amashe joined democrats in their calls. there are still a majority that wants to see the president removed from office. recent polls show support for impeaching the president hovering around 50%. join us now, my friend jonathan capehart and jonathan allen. let's start with republicans, mr. allen. how significant is it that mit romney had come out and repute what the president have said?...
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of course justin amash has already left the republican caucus because he read the mueller report and determined there were multiple episodes of obstruction of justice there. there are several other republicans who have voiced kind of muted support for the impeachment inquiry. but if you look at what's happened with syria, i think it's shaken loose a lot of republicans to try to exercise a little more intellectual independence and -- >> do you think what they might see as abuse of power in terms of why the president kind of, you know, spontaneously listened to the head of turkey and after he had met with russia, the head of turkey and did this situation that now they're trying to undo but it's too late obviously. there's already been countless human costs because of turkey feeling, you know, basically free raein to do what they want in this area. do you think that might prove impeachment? >> if they can denounce the president for ruthlessly betraying the kurds, they can denounces president for ruthlessly betraying americans. he sold out our current election that's going on where he tr
of course justin amash has already left the republican caucus because he read the mueller report and determined there were multiple episodes of obstruction of justice there. there are several other republicans who have voiced kind of muted support for the impeachment inquiry. but if you look at what's happened with syria, i think it's shaken loose a lot of republicans to try to exercise a little more intellectual independence and -- >> do you think what they might see as abuse of power in...
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. >> house republicans -- and in one case, justin amash, who is a former republican -- they're speaking. i want you to listen to what they had to say tonight to cnn. watch this. >> i think it's fine to have the inquiry. i haven't heard anything yet that would tell me that we should impeach the president of the united states. but i'm very interested in hearing the rest of the testimony. >> you're asking a lot from these officials to go out onstage and try to keep the story straight. so i think mick was telling the truth there, that there was a quid pro quo, and then he went back and realized, oh, well, that's not what the president wants to hear. >> you can never involve a foreign government in a domestic election for political reasons. so i'll see what all information comes out, and i'll ultimately do whatever the right thing is. >> so, john, what do you think of these remarks in light of president trump demanding republicans stay unified and be tougher? >> it's going to get tougher and tougher for republicans who have any kind of respect for the rule of law, for our constitutional syst
. >> house republicans -- and in one case, justin amash, who is a former republican -- they're speaking. i want you to listen to what they had to say tonight to cnn. watch this. >> i think it's fine to have the inquiry. i haven't heard anything yet that would tell me that we should impeach the president of the united states. but i'm very interested in hearing the rest of the testimony. >> you're asking a lot from these officials to go out onstage and try to keep the story...
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justin amash who is now an independent voted yes with other democrats. the house is not in session next week. they'll be back november 12th and the white house put out this statement, the president has done nothing wrong and the democrats know it. nancy pelosi and the democrats' unhinged obsession with the illegitimate impeachment proceeding does not hurt president trump and it hurts the american people. the statement went on it is unconstitutional and fundamentally un-american. c-span's campaign 2020 coverage continues live friday night with presidential candidates in iowa and mississippi, starting at 7:30 p.m. eastern on c-span the democratic presidential contenders speak at the liberty and justice celebration in des moines. featured speakers include senator michael bennett, former vice president joe biden and senator corey booker and governor steve bullock and mayor pete buttigieg, julian castro, kamala harris, senator klobuchar, representative beto o'rourke, bernie sanders, tom steyer and senator elizabeth warren and andrew yang. then at 8:00 p.m. ea
justin amash who is now an independent voted yes with other democrats. the house is not in session next week. they'll be back november 12th and the white house put out this statement, the president has done nothing wrong and the democrats know it. nancy pelosi and the democrats' unhinged obsession with the illegitimate impeachment proceeding does not hurt president trump and it hurts the american people. the statement went on it is unconstitutional and fundamentally un-american. c-span's...
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were split by these two votes and republicans were all united, you could argue in a sense that justin amash was a defection from the republicans. he was a republican up until july. a tea party republican who basically said, look, i am troubled enough by what's going on in this administration i'm going to become and independent and voted in favor of moving forward with this impeachment process and tweeted to all the other republicans beforehand, this president will be in power for only a short time, but excusing his misbehavior will forever tarnish your name. to my republican colleagues step out your media and social bubble, history will not look kind on disingenuous frivolous and false defenses of his man. you can tell not one republican decided to join him in that effort. almost a perfect party line vote. a preview of what we might see getting closer to impeachment. >> tom foreman, thaurpg fnk you the vote breakdown. >>> harry litman, former u.s. attorney and deputy assistant attorney general. mary mccord served add acting assistant attorney general for national security and led the pro ru
were split by these two votes and republicans were all united, you could argue in a sense that justin amash was a defection from the republicans. he was a republican up until july. a tea party republican who basically said, look, i am troubled enough by what's going on in this administration i'm going to become and independent and voted in favor of moving forward with this impeachment process and tweeted to all the other republicans beforehand, this president will be in power for only a short...
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starting to see some republicans express concerns about president trump's conduct with ukraine, justin amashentioned are some of the folks that are doing it. then there is this from the house minority leader. watch this. >> president zelensky says, we are almost ready to buy more javelins from the united states for defense purposes. and president trump replies, i would like you to do us a favor, though. >> you just added another word. >> no. it's in the transcript. >> he said, i'd like you to do a favor, though? >> yes. it's in the white house transcript. >> were they given separate transcripts? i can't believe that they even use, j.w., this transcript as exculpatory or as saying that this exonerates the president. it is so damning. why is kevin mccarthy twisting himself into knots to defend the president on this? >> well, kevin mccarthy has never been our best and brightest. but i will say this. i will say in the week since speaker pelosi came out in favor of impeachment, ben sasse, toomey, romney have shown more courage and more willingness to challenge their president than nancy pelosi sh
starting to see some republicans express concerns about president trump's conduct with ukraine, justin amashentioned are some of the folks that are doing it. then there is this from the house minority leader. watch this. >> president zelensky says, we are almost ready to buy more javelins from the united states for defense purposes. and president trump replies, i would like you to do us a favor, though. >> you just added another word. >> no. it's in the transcript. >> he...
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those were telling statements from justin amash. once they hear the information, not everybody has heard the information in public, open hearing, but once the information and the testimony is put in public hearings and the depositions are released and the american people hear them for themselves, i think that the constituencies of the republicans will tell them to vote to impeach donald trump because he has abused his power. he has corrupted his position, and he has been a person who has betrayed his oath to the constitution and to the american people. trying to get an ally, ukraine, leveraging congressionally funded military support to defend themselves against the russians, and he's using that as a way to try to leverage them to get dirt on his opponent joe biden. it's strictly illegal, unconstitutional, against his oath of office and once it's out in public, i think the public will show their congresspeople they need to vote correctly. >> let's talk about what's happening down the road. you serve on the judiciary committee which
those were telling statements from justin amash. once they hear the information, not everybody has heard the information in public, open hearing, but once the information and the testimony is put in public hearings and the depositions are released and the american people hear them for themselves, i think that the constituencies of the republicans will tell them to vote to impeach donald trump because he has abused his power. he has corrupted his position, and he has been a person who has...
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they are going to vote, 199 of them are republican, justin amash as an independent and the rest, 2 hundredtever democrats, someone will vote against their party and someone will be a surprise and because we're all looking for unity any fissure we will jump on. you have to figure, someone is going to break ranks and it's going to be surprising. it could be either side of the aisle. also, just out of curiosity whether or not speaker pelosi votes. it's tradition the speaker doesn't often votes but on a day like today i would think she would want to lead from the front. >> we'll see. it seems like unprecedented times. hagar, felipe, congressman, thank you so much. we'll hand off to ari melber. ♪ >>> good morning. i'm ari melber reporting live from nbc headquarters with coverage of today's events on msnbc. the breaking news coming out of capitol hill, lawmakers in the house about to take their first ever formal votes on how to proceed with the impeachment inquiry of president donald trump. this new resolution maps out the ue
they are going to vote, 199 of them are republican, justin amash as an independent and the rest, 2 hundredtever democrats, someone will vote against their party and someone will be a surprise and because we're all looking for unity any fissure we will jump on. you have to figure, someone is going to break ranks and it's going to be surprising. it could be either side of the aisle. also, just out of curiosity whether or not speaker pelosi votes. it's tradition the speaker doesn't often votes but...
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though time is officially up i wouldn't read too much into that yet we expect one republican, justin amashote with democrats on this, but republicans are pretty much unified on this topic. >> and finally, the fact this will be threaded through intel is not insignificant, right? >> well, i think the importance of that is ensuring there's not committee overlap. there had been some question about the multiple committees that have been involved in the investigations before the house took a step to do an impeachment inquiry. so this process is one that allows them to streamline who knows what when. but one of the complaints of the white house is that they will not be able to cross examine witnesses and have access to all of the testimony and depositions in the intel committee that they would once it reaches the judiciary committee. so lots of procedural questions on capitol hill, but certainly an historic moment. >> we saw the gavel come down a second ago thanks by the way, the president did sort of make a connection between this process and the markets a few moments ago when he tweeted the imp
though time is officially up i wouldn't read too much into that yet we expect one republican, justin amashote with democrats on this, but republicans are pretty much unified on this topic. >> and finally, the fact this will be threaded through intel is not insignificant, right? >> well, i think the importance of that is ensuring there's not committee overlap. there had been some question about the multiple committees that have been involved in the investigations before the house...
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there are 235 democrats, 197 republicans and one independent, michigan's just an emotion -- justin amasha fan at out miami dolphins game didn't expect to see the charge on his credit card after buying two beers. not given that he had to watch the dolphins. police say a man selling beer at the stadium used his personal card reader to charge the fan whose bank sent him an alert for an excessive amount. the alert apparently included the suspects name. cops arrested the suspect and here he is, facing charges including theft, possession of a skimming device, he also lost his job. so far he has not responded to the charges. the fan got a full refund but of course as always, the dolphins lost again. president trump reportedly left hanging by the iranian president while a phone call apparently fell through. that's coming up. plus, the feds reportedly wanted to ban flavored e-cigarette years ago saying that they were afraid kids might become addicted to nicotine. a new report claims the obama administration shut down those efforts. great news for my fellow veterans. va mortgage rates have dropped
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rand paul tom massie and they are saying this is good bring folks home but then you've got the justin amash and tulsi gabbard's of the world saying the kurds were extremely helpful and doing some of our work to keep our boots on the ground there. >> certainly donald trump is betraying the kurds. i'll think there's any debating that but it might lead one to ask the question why did we ally with the kurds in the first place and where did these weapons that isis got come from rex the truth as everybody knows but it's very unreported it was the obama administration the cia saudi arabia and israel decided to arm the radical islamists to put pressure on assad. i just hate that. anytime there's violence because we pull troops out of an area it gives us 1000 times the coverage of the violence them when they put troops in the area. look what's going on in yemen because we are supporting the saudis and under george w. bush. the region is in a lot of chaos but i think he's right to pull the troops out. r guy: he is not pulling them out. he's just moving them so turkey can move in and liquidate. let me
rand paul tom massie and they are saying this is good bring folks home but then you've got the justin amash and tulsi gabbard's of the world saying the kurds were extremely helpful and doing some of our work to keep our boots on the ground there. >> certainly donald trump is betraying the kurds. i'll think there's any debating that but it might lead one to ask the question why did we ally with the kurds in the first place and where did these weapons that isis got come from rex the truth...
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. >> the lone independent in the house, justin amash of michigan voted with democrats to approve then. amosh tweeting this president will be in power for only a short time, but excusing his misbehavior will forever tarnish your name. to my republican colleagues, step outside your immediate and social bubble. history will not look kindly on disingenuous, frivolous and false defenses of this man. for more i'm joined by jonathan allen, mera tanden, michael steele, former rnc chair. i want all three of you, i'm going to give you more time than usual, this is historic day. i think it happened actually with nixon. this particular vote to proceed with the inquiry. it happened we know with nixon. it happened with clinton. with different impacts. nixon was gone, clinton was back in fashion again. he went right through this thing like nothing. but today it was so partisan. i want to ask you as a republican, why do the republicans hold the line against these really star witnesses that say the president did setup and exercise and execute a quid pro quo trading public trust for personal political
. >> the lone independent in the house, justin amash of michigan voted with democrats to approve then. amosh tweeting this president will be in power for only a short time, but excusing his misbehavior will forever tarnish your name. to my republican colleagues, step outside your immediate and social bubble. history will not look kindly on disingenuous, frivolous and false defenses of this man. for more i'm joined by jonathan allen, mera tanden, michael steele, former rnc chair. i want...
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someone like thomas massie or justin amash who may run as an independent. i don't want to speculate but i think there are members of conscious who cannot believe the president's conduct was constitutional. >> a former national security official was scheduled to testify today and he did not testify. his lawyer said they'll let the courts decide whether or not he should testify even though he was formally issued a subpoena. it seemed that adam schiff the chairman said, you know what, we'll move on and not waste a whole lot of time going through court proceedings right now. >> well i think kupperman will be forced to testify and they will uphold executive privilege doesn't apply. >> but it will take a while to get that decision. >> i hope it won't. that they will make a decision that kupperman isn't protected and doesn't cover illegal conduct and it is a shame he didn't testify but i hope the courts will recognize the gravity of the situation and resolve it but it is important to note. we don't need his testimony. everyone knows what has happened here. the pre
someone like thomas massie or justin amash who may run as an independent. i don't want to speculate but i think there are members of conscious who cannot believe the president's conduct was constitutional. >> a former national security official was scheduled to testify today and he did not testify. his lawyer said they'll let the courts decide whether or not he should testify even though he was formally issued a subpoena. it seemed that adam schiff the chairman said, you know what, we'll...
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what's justin amash's next move? elizabeth warren says she has a plan to pay for medicare for all. what is it? let's go out front. good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, president trump slamming republicans, saying democrats are more loyal to each other. accusing his party of not being tough and not standing by him. >> they have to get tougher and fight because the democrats are trying to hurt the republican
what's justin amash's next move? elizabeth warren says she has a plan to pay for medicare for all. what is it? let's go out front. good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, president trump slamming republicans, saying democrats are more loyal to each other. accusing his party of not being tough and not standing by him. >> they have to get tougher and fight because the democrats are trying to hurt the republican
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he'll have an exclusive interview with house representative justin amash and interviews with mayor peteuttigieg and brett mrk. tune in to "meet the press" at 8:00 after this newscast. about 15 minutes before "meet the press" we'll see larry for our weekly political segment, look at the latest developments in the trump impeachment inquiry. larry, we'll see you soon. fr> turning to other news in san cisco, a small but significant change could soon be coming to muni's bus fleet. one bus is currently the guinea pig for sliding doors instead of doors that open inward. they create more space for passengers and eliminate the need for passengers to shuffle and reshuffle every time the doors open inward. if it works out well the entire fleet will soon have sliding doors. >>> around the world and back in the bay, a sailor returned hem to a hero's welcome. randall reed became the first person to sail around antarctica and the americas solo in one season. he was welcomed by admirers and his wife who gave him a welcome home kiss. he traveled 39,000 miles, nearly the entire time alone on his boat eat
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. >> well, and we should also know as justin amash, your colleague in the house now, an independent and also a very strong advocate for u.s. withdrawal from active military zones. >> sure. >> no one is coming home. there are 50 special op troops there in that area who just got moved to a different place. >> right. >> it's not like there's going to be some big homecoming right now. >> right. and, you know, the president had an opportunity to lead. he received a call in advance, advance warning that this was going to happen, and for all intents and purposes, he green lit it. i respect turkey's issues with its border. turkey's deserving of border security just like any other nation. and the way we would achieve that without perpetual war is with american leadership, bringing people to the table for a negotiated peace. >> someone said today they're jumping out of a 40th story window and exiting out the front door both ways to leave a building, but they're pretty different. you represent a district that is a district with democrats and republicans and independents. >> yep. >> it's a district
. >> well, and we should also know as justin amash, your colleague in the house now, an independent and also a very strong advocate for u.s. withdrawal from active military zones. >> sure. >> no one is coming home. there are 50 special op troops there in that area who just got moved to a different place. >> right. >> it's not like there's going to be some big homecoming right now. >> right. and, you know, the president had an opportunity to lead. he received...
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here's what former republican, now independent, congressman justin amash had to say. hillary does and did drive many people into the arms of donald trump. her attack on tulsi does likewise. in my district, trump did worse than any republican in modern times and still beat clinton by a fair margin. many ds in the midwest rejected her. i didn't vote for either one. keith, does he have a point? >> well, i mean, he's still not a democrat. he's a former republican. but i don't think that anything in this controversy has any impact on the outcome of the nomination of the presidency, first of all. i think a lot of democrats were skeptical about tulsi gabbard before. as soon as the story came out, nobody even had to mention tulsi gabba gabbard. everybody knew because this has been going on for months now. >> explain why it's been going on. >> well, because she has a history of supporting putin in russia. she has a history of supporting assad in syria. she's aligned with hindu nationalists. she's aligned with ultra right wing authoritarian figures, like sisi in egypt and other
here's what former republican, now independent, congressman justin amash had to say. hillary does and did drive many people into the arms of donald trump. her attack on tulsi does likewise. in my district, trump did worse than any republican in modern times and still beat clinton by a fair margin. many ds in the midwest rejected her. i didn't vote for either one. keith, does he have a point? >> well, i mean, he's still not a democrat. he's a former republican. but i don't think that...
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out against president trump and even if they have strong conservative credentials, think about justin amashly kicked out of the party even though he has been conservative and libertarian and scores very high on all of the various outside groups report cards, he was kicked out because he said negative things about president trump so anybody in the republican party who is not willing to defend the president, who is not willing to go along with the president's even most vulgar attributes, they'll be kicked out of the party and lindsey graham knows that -- >> it is a very different thing to go along with the president because you want to be relevant and because it is politically viable for you in your home state. still, again, back to the lindsey graham with john mccain that we knew, especially on this issue of ukraine, how many times did we listen to john mccain and lindsey graham talk about how critical it is to prop up ukraine and not play politics with it because ukraine was the way to fight putin and the fact this is the issue is stunning. >> kim, i want to get your legal take on something
out against president trump and even if they have strong conservative credentials, think about justin amashly kicked out of the party even though he has been conservative and libertarian and scores very high on all of the various outside groups report cards, he was kicked out because he said negative things about president trump so anybody in the republican party who is not willing to defend the president, who is not willing to go along with the president's even most vulgar attributes, they'll...
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justin amash this sunday. good evening, ari. >> we're not calling it conspiracy theory hour. i always think of it as meet the press daily. >> we got deep, brother. we got deep. >> you got deep on debunking the conspiracy theories which is good to do. we'll be watching you sunday. >> thank you. >> always good to see you. >>> we have a very special show for you this friday night. fallout over the breaking story we brought you here on "the beat." donald trump's man admitting on television and backtracking but is the backtracking making it worse? later tonight on donald trump's self-dealing with foreign money. >>> plus, tackling impeachment and the gun crisis. we get into both later this hour with oscar winning filmmaker michael moore live tonight. i also learned he's making other news. we'll get into that as well. >>> right now we begin with a white house reeling, scrambling and sometimes panicking in full damage control mode trying to clean up the mess that donald trump's acting chief of staff made when he walked out to that podium and uncorked one of the most astounding volunt
justin amash this sunday. good evening, ari. >> we're not calling it conspiracy theory hour. i always think of it as meet the press daily. >> we got deep, brother. we got deep. >> you got deep on debunking the conspiracy theories which is good to do. we'll be watching you sunday. >> thank you. >> always good to see you. >>> we have a very special show for you this friday night. fallout over the breaking story we brought you here on "the beat."...
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republicans would vote for it as we sit here right now it doesn't look like any did it one independent justin amash from michigan who was a republican but then some months ago left the republican party announced he supported the impeachment of the president he did vote for this resolution only one democrat is now recorded as voting against it's not clear to me who that is at the moment but there were a couple interim friendly districts who people were looking at it did look like a nother democrat had also voted no initially and then switched so it looks like there may have been some arm twisting last minute harm twisting going on but the bottom line is this is passed the impeachment resolution is going forward we whole process will move forward into public hearings very shortly in the next few weeks and it does look right now like it's breaking down along partisan lines michael to i'm glad you spotted bax is going to ask you about they did seem like a moment ago and i thought maybe i was missing it that we had 2 democrats voting no and then it looked like briefly we had a republican saying yeah and
republicans would vote for it as we sit here right now it doesn't look like any did it one independent justin amash from michigan who was a republican but then some months ago left the republican party announced he supported the impeachment of the president he did vote for this resolution only one democrat is now recorded as voting against it's not clear to me who that is at the moment but there were a couple interim friendly districts who people were looking at it did look like a nother...
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here is michael cohen from about a year ago now with justin amash. >>. >> you suggested that the president sometimes communicates his wishes indirectly. for example, you said, quote, mr. trump did not directly tell me to lie to congress. that's not how he operates, end quote. can you explain how he does this? >> sure. it would be no different if i said that's the nicest looking tie i've ever seen. isn't it? what are you going to do? are you going to fight with him? the answer is no. the answer is yes, it's the nicest looking tie i've ever seen. he doesn't give you questions or orders. he speaks in a code, and i understand the code, because i've been around him for a decade. >> it was from february 27th. not quite a year ago. it feels like a lifetime ago. eli, i mean, that sort of the way donald trump operates, you're followed him as long as i have. i mean, how does this connect to the way he's running the government. >> well, i think it's really pertinent to the transcript of the call, the summary of the call the white house has put out on the president is engaged in telling everybody, tel
here is michael cohen from about a year ago now with justin amash. >>. >> you suggested that the president sometimes communicates his wishes indirectly. for example, you said, quote, mr. trump did not directly tell me to lie to congress. that's not how he operates, end quote. can you explain how he does this? >> sure. it would be no different if i said that's the nicest looking tie i've ever seen. isn't it? what are you going to do? are you going to fight with him? the answer...
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if you look at this, only one formal republican voted with the democrats, justin amash.in power for only a short time, but excusing his misbehavior will forever tarnish your name. to my republican colleagues, step outside your media and social bubble. history will not look kindly on disingenuous, frivolous and false defenses of this man. they stood united today to stand by the president. the question now is as the testimony phase starts, will any of them crack? >> my understanding is the sort of shirts and skins argument that the republican leadership was making about this first vote to start the inquiry is different than what we'll likely see in terms of the pressure for the ultimate impeachment vote. >> they stopped again, waiting to get everyone in the room here. it is an interesting moment in the sense that part of this is these people from safe districts believe -- let's listen to leader kevin mccarthy. >> we just had a vote on the floor. in march of this year, speaker pelosi said this about impeachment. impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there is
if you look at this, only one formal republican voted with the democrats, justin amash.in power for only a short time, but excusing his misbehavior will forever tarnish your name. to my republican colleagues, step outside your media and social bubble. history will not look kindly on disingenuous, frivolous and false defenses of this man. they stood united today to stand by the president. the question now is as the testimony phase starts, will any of them crack? >> my understanding is the...
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along party lines with only two democrats voting against and one independent former republican justin amashoting in favor. and describing the moment, the "new york times" writes it like this. quote, the vote removed almost any doubt that democrats would bring a full-fledged impeachment case against mr. trump for his apparent efforts to pressure a foreign power into investigating his domestic political rivals. less clear is how quickly democrats can move to formalize their charges and whether through public hearings and the presentation of new evidence they can win over any republicans. joining our conversation msnbc correspondent garrett haake. with us at the table former republican strategist steve schmidt. garrett, take me through this day that is still unfolding on capitol hill. >> reporter: this was a somber day this morning. but it was one with a lot of attention paid to it, the galleries were packed, there were a lot of extra staff in the chamber. folks got here early for this vote series knowing that they'd be out the door quickly. and this is essentially the last major piece of busi
along party lines with only two democrats voting against and one independent former republican justin amashoting in favor. and describing the moment, the "new york times" writes it like this. quote, the vote removed almost any doubt that democrats would bring a full-fledged impeachment case against mr. trump for his apparent efforts to pressure a foreign power into investigating his domestic political rivals. less clear is how quickly democrats can move to formalize their charges and...
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justin amash this sunday. good evening, ari. >> we're not calling it conspiracy theory hour.ot deep, brother. we got deep. >> you got deep on debunking the conspiracy theories which is good to do. we'll be watching you sunday. >> thank you. >> always good to see you. >>> we have a very special show for you this friday night. fallout over the breaking story we brought you here on "the beat." donald trump's man admitting on television and backtracking but is the backtracking making it
justin amash this sunday. good evening, ari. >> we're not calling it conspiracy theory hour.ot deep, brother. we got deep. >> you got deep on debunking the conspiracy theories which is good to do. we'll be watching you sunday. >> thank you. >> always good to see you. >>> we have a very special show for you this friday night. fallout over the breaking story we brought you here on "the beat." donald trump's man admitting on television and backtracking...
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justin amash, the independent who voted in favor of the resolution, was a republican until a few months ago, and he essentially got drummed out of the party by not being as supportive as donald trump as has become essentially necessary within the party. so you would have had a sort of playing field not been the way it was. not a terrible surprise here that the two democratic members who did vote against moving forward on this issue did so. one is a longtime representative of a fairly conservative district in minnesota. a heavily donald trump district. the other a freshman representative from a district in new jersey has flipped back and forth. both men in their public statements afterwards held out the possibility that they could ultimately vote in favor of an impeachment article somewhere down the road. but they had similar complaints to what republicans have had about this process, saying that it has been unfair to the president and too partisan thus far. nothing in the vote today will change that, but it does set the table for open hearings, moving this process into the sunlight, whi
justin amash, the independent who voted in favor of the resolution, was a republican until a few months ago, and he essentially got drummed out of the party by not being as supportive as donald trump as has become essentially necessary within the party. so you would have had a sort of playing field not been the way it was. not a terrible surprise here that the two democratic members who did vote against moving forward on this issue did so. one is a longtime representative of a fairly...
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i was happy also that the independent in the house, justin amash, voted with the democrats. so it was bipartisan or multi-partisan in that sense. >> harris: congressman raskin, i want to make sure i understand it right. i got the key provisions and the resolution, kind of rules. since that's one of the committee to sit on, maybe you can educate us all on this. it looks like there's almost a permission that has to be asked if they subpoena and want to call witnesses. is that understanding correct? if so, if is that fair? >> this is the same as when president clinton was impeached by the house of representatives, when the republicans were in the majority. and exactly as they where if president nixon would have been considered for impeachment then. the majority rules in the context of the committee, the minority gets the right to ask for subpoenas. in the event that there's a majority, it goes to vote. everything that has taken place up to now has been scrupulously bipartisan. all of the close-door depositions taking place have given 50% of the staff questioning time to the rep
i was happy also that the independent in the house, justin amash, voted with the democrats. so it was bipartisan or multi-partisan in that sense. >> harris: congressman raskin, i want to make sure i understand it right. i got the key provisions and the resolution, kind of rules. since that's one of the committee to sit on, maybe you can educate us all on this. it looks like there's almost a permission that has to be asked if they subpoena and want to call witnesses. is that understanding...
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idea at this moment if it will actually happen, are those retiring republicans, republicans like justin amashf michigan, like will hurd of texas, those are the guys, francis rooney, for example, of florida, those are the guys they are watching and they do not expect any republicans who expect to come back and set foot on that floor in the new congress to vote for this. that's for a number of reasons, ari. they may actually get more support, they think, for an actual impeachment vote than this for a number of reasons. number one, a lot of those republicans haven't seen any of the evidence that's been laid out in these closed hearings and their main argument really has been process and in my meetings over the past couple of weeks, ari, with some of these moderate republicans, even they have been griping about the process arguments. their votes are not needed for this to succeed and this inquiry to go forward and they know that very well. but why are the democrats so comfortable with having this as a party line vote, which it may very well be? because according to their own internal polling, whi
idea at this moment if it will actually happen, are those retiring republicans, republicans like justin amashf michigan, like will hurd of texas, those are the guys, francis rooney, for example, of florida, those are the guys they are watching and they do not expect any republicans who expect to come back and set foot on that floor in the new congress to vote for this. that's for a number of reasons, ari. they may actually get more support, they think, for an actual impeachment vote than this...
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the contrast with someone like justin amash who does go out and explain his thinking is very stark. >i think some of those town halls may have been the reason why they were able to save to some extent obamacare in the republican-controlled house when they put that pressure on them from voting against it. matt, elise jordan, thank you so much. appreciate it. >>> ahead, in the roger stone case in the movie involving "the godfather." mick mulvaney sparking questions about trump profits off of the presidency. >>> but first, a rare surrender from trump. folding on that global summit at his own resort. this a turning point in his presidency? that's next. cy that's next. great friends. you just saved a bunch of money by switching your boat insurance to geico. it was easy. folks, can it get any better than this? is that what i think it is? that is an armada of tiny sushi boats. awesome! i forgot to pack lunch. you had one job... chopsticks wasabi and soy! comin' in a little hot. it only gets better when you switch and save with geico. to earn j.d. power chevdependability awards... it only get
the contrast with someone like justin amash who does go out and explain his thinking is very stark. >i think some of those town halls may have been the reason why they were able to save to some extent obamacare in the republican-controlled house when they put that pressure on them from voting against it. matt, elise jordan, thank you so much. appreciate it. >>> ahead, in the roger stone case in the movie involving "the godfather." mick mulvaney sparking questions about...
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former republican member justin amash who's now an independent voted yes with other democrats. the house is motnot in session t week. they'll be back november 12 president. the white house put out this statement today, "the president has done nothing wrong and the democrats know it. nancy pelosi and the democrats' unhinged obsession with this illegitimate impeachment proceeding does not hurt president trump. it hurts the american people." the statement went on, "that is unfair, unconstitutional, and fundamentally un-american." >>> follow the impeach the inquiry and administration's response on c-span. unfiltered coverage live as it happens. primetime re-airs and any time on c-span.org. >>> sunday live at noon eastern on "in-depth" princeton university professor imani perry joins us to talk about african-american history and racial inequality. >> my mother came of age in jim crow alabama. so my mother lived here youth through a white nationalist society and it's come back. >> openly officially white nationalist society. >> yes, it's reared its head again. >> her most recent book
former republican member justin amash who's now an independent voted yes with other democrats. the house is motnot in session t week. they'll be back november 12 president. the white house put out this statement today, "the president has done nothing wrong and the democrats know it. nancy pelosi and the democrats' unhinged obsession with this illegitimate impeachment proceeding does not hurt president trump. it hurts the american people." the statement went on, "that is unfair,...
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and former republican member justin amash voted yes with democrats. the house is not in session next week back in session on november 12th. the white house put out a statement saying the president has done nothing wrong and the democrats know it. nancy pelosi and the democrats unhinged obsession with this illegitimate impeachment proceeding does not hurt president trump. it hurts the american people. the statement went on, that is unfair, unconstitutional and fundamentally unamerican. >>> 40 years ago. iranian students overran the u.s. embassy in tehran and held 52 americans hostage for 444 days. sunday watch two american history features on the hostage crisis a. at 8:30 a.m. eastern oh our guests on walsh journal. carter administration official and stewart eisenstadt and john limb bert. taking viewer phone calls and tweets. . then at 10:00 a.m. on real america, the 1989 film, 444 days to freedom, detailing the hostage crisis. >> with no help coming, the besieged staff retreated floor by floor. one american john limb bert went owl auto to try and save
and former republican member justin amash voted yes with democrats. the house is not in session next week back in session on november 12th. the white house put out a statement saying the president has done nothing wrong and the democrats know it. nancy pelosi and the democrats unhinged obsession with this illegitimate impeachment proceeding does not hurt president trump. it hurts the american people. the statement went on, that is unfair, unconstitutional and fundamentally unamerican....
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they know that when justin amash spoke out the next day his numbers were under water in a republican primary. they know when this president went and tweeted against mark sanford at 4:00 p.m. mark sanford lost his election. the next day the president is in the caucus asking how is my friend mark sanford doing? they're afraid. they're afraid for their political survival if they take on this president in public. >> congressman, what impact do you think now that we know that there is a second whistleblower? what impact do you think that will have either on republicans -- on republicans in general on the hill, but also on the ongoing impeachment inquiry? >> well, jonathan, in candor, i'm not sure if it's going to have impact on the republicans. the facts aren't in dispute. i don't know what more it will take than the president of the united states going on national television asking china and ukraine to inve gait his political rivals. most republicans in private know this is wrong. what i do think this will do is lessen the attacks of the president on the whistleblower, lessen his ability
they know that when justin amash spoke out the next day his numbers were under water in a republican primary. they know when this president went and tweeted against mark sanford at 4:00 p.m. mark sanford lost his election. the next day the president is in the caucus asking how is my friend mark sanford doing? they're afraid. they're afraid for their political survival if they take on this president in public. >> congressman, what impact do you think now that we know that there is a second...
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justin amash, occur consid cons independent.d think -- >> on this vote the yeas are 232, nays 196. the resolution is adopted without objection. the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. >> nancy pelosi cutting you off. my apologies. quickly ten seconds and we'll wrap this up. >> reporter: the president doesn't want impeachment but he has it, the most he can hope for now is keep the republicans in line behind him even if it moves to something. >> i think at this point he may hope that maybe the articles don't ever get written. we shall see. so a dramatic new chapter officially begins now in washington, a showdown between the two co-equal branches of government and a process laid out by our founding fathers. we will of course continue to follow this story and my colleague lester holt will have complete details tonight on "nightly news" from los angeles with the latest on those deadly california wildfires. for now, i'm chuck todd , nbc news in washington good day >> get your dancing shoes on and get ready to boogie to the be
justin amash, occur consid cons independent.d think -- >> on this vote the yeas are 232, nays 196. the resolution is adopted without objection. the motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. >> nancy pelosi cutting you off. my apologies. quickly ten seconds and we'll wrap this up. >> reporter: the president doesn't want impeachment but he has it, the most he can hope for now is keep the republicans in line behind him even if it moves to something. >> i think at this...
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plus, this is the sharp criticism from the former republican supporting the impeachment inquiry justin amash, former congressman. >> he is moving the troops back from iraq and moving ther troops into saudi arabia and he is using the forces almost as mercenaries, the paid mercenaries who are going to g in and as long as saudi arabia pays us money, it is good to go. >> and the third white house defense comes after the president abruptly withdraws the g-7 decision, and announcing that his doral resort will not host the summit at all. >> if we had made the decision thursd thursday, we would not have had the decision. but he was surprised at the pushback, and he considers himself in the hospitality business and he took the opportunity to take the biggest leaders from around the world and put on a absolute best show and take care of folks. he is in the hotel business or at least he was. >> and kelly o'donnell is at the white house, and kelly a lot to get to, and start with the president reversing course on using his own resort for the g-7 summit and not often that we see him back down. >> it is un
plus, this is the sharp criticism from the former republican supporting the impeachment inquiry justin amash, former congressman. >> he is moving the troops back from iraq and moving ther troops into saudi arabia and he is using the forces almost as mercenaries, the paid mercenaries who are going to g in and as long as saudi arabia pays us money, it is good to go. >> and the third white house defense comes after the president abruptly withdraws the g-7 decision, and announcing that...
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justin amash, the former republican, now independent from michigan.ill taylor's testimony isn't devastating evidence president trump engaged in a corrupt act and quid pro quo. line for democrats, you are next. caller: yes, good morning, c-span. thanks for taking my call. listening to some of these republican callers, it is distressing to me. i can't understand how somebody sayingalk around something they know isn't true or wanting to believe something that isn't true and it is so obvious they are fact free or lies they are using to defend this president. it is damaging and the two things about trump that really, syria andet me is in the kurds, what is going on there more so than ukraine. these are allies. ukraine was basically a new one we were supposed to be protecting and trump is trading like he has done his whole life basically bad things, criminal things. who, of our allies, are going to believe us or trust us after a man like this in office? deal,an deal, the nuclear we had basically put a lock on their nuclear development for a number of years.
justin amash, the former republican, now independent from michigan.ill taylor's testimony isn't devastating evidence president trump engaged in a corrupt act and quid pro quo. line for democrats, you are next. caller: yes, good morning, c-span. thanks for taking my call. listening to some of these republican callers, it is distressing to me. i can't understand how somebody sayingalk around something they know isn't true or wanting to believe something that isn't true and it is so obvious they...