justin brock, as a research fellow at the world united services is jude in london, is federal to 0 earlier and said the michelle is being used as a threat by russia as opposed to being part of a nuclear arsenal. i think the main reason they're actually developing these to be able to continue to threaten american key bases. and i like bases and things like american carrier battle groups as echo carriers, which have very, very capable ballistic defense missile defense systems. and also missile defense systems can traditional even supersonic cruise missiles. so it's more of a means to continue to threaten high end conventional military capabilities rather than i think the new still to come on. i'm 0, an ancient tradition interrupted by a modern problem for the 2nd year. the pandemic means a streamlined hodge will tell you what to yoko is no longer interested in limerick, appetizing in japan. ah, ah cruise me . ah ah ah ah no, his peter learned. thank you very much, just for days to go now and one of the biggest sponsors of the take it with him because withdrawn all of the tv commercials in ja

while justin brock is a research fellow at the royal united services institute, he's joining us now from london. thank you very much indeed for being with us. how much do we know about the russian hypersonic missile and kind of be relied upon? well, this has been in development and it's been been development for nearly a decade now. and the performance data in terms of whether it actually stacks up to the hypersonic performance claims being put forward will probably be known in some detail by western intelligence agencies, particularly they're able to get daughter lametre data of test firings like we saw today. whether that be from orbital satellites, or for example, from naval vessels, that i'm, if i am international waters. but of course, they'll be highly classified in terms of what even if they were to publish those figures, they would give the russians an idea of what the american systems were able to detect and how, how precisely, so intelligence agencies probably know quite a lot in public we kind of have to take the russians word for it. so the next question of course, is the obv