in 2023 we recruited and helped this incredible leader justin douglas in dawson county, pennsylvania. a pastor from his church, he was fired for welcoming transgender and work with homeless and we to run for the county jail system, a whole bunch of other stuff that affects quality of life and democracy. we got him to run against a republican incumbent and justin ran this incredible campaign and he spent $12,000 on the race, but he was knocking doors, talk to go voters and left an incredible campaign like the mayor in jaws two, the mayor in jaws one was still in jaws two, vote in the election. and he beat the incumbent 140 thousand some odd votes, flipping it for the first time in 100 years. making it easier to vote in dawson county, pennsylvania and the way they were caring for inmates in the jail system. an incredible example of the thousands of candidates we've worked with over the years who show up, who knock doors and who win in really long shot races. >> amanda litman with us with run for something. gary is in pennsylvania, philadelphia. and this is on the democrats line. hi. >>

now with douglas holtz-eakin, former chief economist for the white house council of economic advisers under president george w bush. he's now president of the american action forum. and justin wolfers is also with us. he's an economics professor at the university of michigan. so doug, mexico, giving trump these 10,000 mexican soldiers at the border to combat fentanyl and illegal immigration. and then they see their tariffs paused. do you expect that something like that is going to happen with canada? trump has a 3 p.m. follow up call with prime minister trudeau. >> yeah, i think that probably is the most likely course. whether it will happen as quickly as mexico or not, i don't know, but these tariffs were not built to be around very long. you know, 25% is quite high. there are no exceptions, especially for things like autos that cross both borders, you know, half a dozen times during the course of production. there's some complicated issues with u.s. electricity coming from canada. so i don't think these tariffs are something which are economically desirable at all, but they are certainly not economically survivable over a long period. they are there for negotiating purpos