he joins us, along with howard law professor justin hansford. he's the author of jailing a rainbow the unjust trial and conviction of marcus garvey. gentlemen, good morning to you and doctor garvey. let me start with you. this formal petition for pardon is new. it was submitted during the obama administration. he ignored it. you've now submitted it again. we don't have a whole lot of time. but just start with, make the case for a pardon here for us. >> well, we're using the pardon process because we've not been able to get a formal exoneration through the congress. >> you know, we started back in 1987 with the house judiciary committee that was chaired by john conyers. >> and, you know, um, uh, we and we myself, my brother, several different representatives appear before the house judiciary committee and subsequent to that, congressman rangel had house resolutions to exonerate my dad year after year after year. and also yvette clarke picked up on that. so it was a political football, if you will. so it never ended up getting out of the house jud