now justin j mitchell wrote, in his opinion, these type of policy focused arguments belong before the legislature. not this court is not the role of the court to craft a new limitation based on our own view of what is or is not wise public policy, no response to the significant backlash. lawmakers and both chambers of the alabama legislature have filed and pass bills to clarify the state law related to embryos created v i v. yes, the governor has signed those into law but hasn't damage already been done to republicans. so i want to discuss with our panel, let's bring them it. steve arabs from the millcreek podcast and jesse k, robinson is a doctoral student in health education and behavioral studies at teacher's college, columbia university. it's also a professor and birth of post partum to a welcome to both of you to the show. i appreciate you come in, i presume, patch, you mean you're thank you, jesse, i wanna start with you 1st. do you think it's understandable for i v f clinics to hold their work because of this alabama supreme court ruling? well, i think they shouldn't be holding