across a joined by justine mccabe, co-chair the international committee of the green party of the u.shim denkinger, let's begin with you. the significance of the green party in europe, a much greater presence than it is in the united states. >> yes, that is true. unfortunately, we wanted to be as significant in the u.s. already as in europe, but we have the disadvantage electoral system for small parties. the story of the development of greens in europe, we managed to go into parliament and the step by step into political responsibility. this is different in the u.s. agree that the majority voting system, especially for the -- where you have a majority voting system, especially for the presidential campaign. it is very difficult. before we went in development in germany, it took as a long time. >> how long? >> in 1979, in belgium, germany in 1980. >> when did you go into parliament? >> it was 1983 in germany, and 1984 and european parliament, which probably know is a parliament which represents 20 of the 27 member states of the european movement -- 15 different member states. >> how m