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i could see that how i did that. the excessive force was exercised by the security forces. they how fire the tear gas over the protesters and use their live ammunition as well and chase and after p, as of the people deal into dead. the device that treats as wild. the philippines has accused beijing of sabotaging a re supply mission in the disputed south china sea. it says the incident happened on tuesday, the sprightly islands. the chinese coast guard is said to have blocked ships and find water cannon. the state of emergency is not effect in the canadian province of british columbia. after heavy rainfall triggered flooding a man's land, a mud slides. troops have been deployed to help clear blocked roads. at least one person has died. taiwan is deployed. 64 upgraded jets as it steps up, its defense capabilities in the face of threats from china. the f 60 v is the most advanced version of the aircraft president sign when says they show the strength of taiwan cooperation with the us and those the headlights bodies feel al jazeera after the stream. coming up next. on november 21st, venezuelans had supposed to choose the regional and municipal representatives after 4 years of election. boycott kent opposition parties effect change agen ballard walks. and will this be a step always for a rest, for the rising number of those living in extreme poverty to venezuela elections on al jazeera i for me, okay, on today's episode of the strain, we're going to look at how climate change is made a community in oregon go to war over water. their story is told in the 4 lines investigation when the water stopped awards the crisis in americas west is intensifying, deep historic division obliterated ecosystems to create agriculture at the expense of our tribes. that's worth branson's time. the strong pe good away from the one called lines investigate how climate change is pissing an oregon town. the breaking points war fight, because it's in our blood. we are literally to the point that people are gonna start seeing each other when the war to stop on al jazeera. joining us to talk about the water conflict that you just saw that joey from the trailer. hello ren hello, emma. it's a nice have you all on the stream to day joey? introduce yourself to our international audience. tell them who you are. what you do. hi, my name is joey gentry and i am a member of the clamor tribes. i am not on our official tribal government and i am not an official spokesperson. i just care deeply about my community, my homeland, my home town, and i just want us to heal. hello, ben, welcome to the stream. introduce yourself to our global audience. my name is ben duval, and i am a former ah south oh to a california along with my wife and 2 daughters, free girl alfalfa and we on the claim matriculation project. and i'm also the president of guns water users association of i'm not representing the organization than the official capacity here. today. i'm just here much like georgia said as, as just somebody who wants to see see some healing in this community. and this, this situation remedy had to handle. emma introduced herself i, my name is emma maris, i'm an environmental writer, and i live here in klamath falls. so i've been following this water conversation for about 8 years. all right, good to have you, emma. all right, so now you've met our line up. what would you like to ask them? don't you choose? you can ask them anything concerned with the climate change in the region that they're talking about. how it may well be solved, things that you don't understand, comment sections like that. i will try and get your comments into today's, shall. emma, can you help us understand? very basically, what is the conflict about. you could have a conversation along i, it had to being backdate to say the least. i explain it, but very briefly. sure. so there are a large number of farmers and ranchers who use water from the giant lake that we live near by called upper klamath lake. and every year they get a certain amount of water allocated to them by the federal government this year. that amount was 0. and that was extremely stressful for the producers. but the reason that that amount was 0 is because the water in the lake also has other uses, like keeping alive fish in the upper klamath lake and salmon down the stream on the way to the ocean, and also watering wildlife refuges that keep migratory birds alive on their way up . so what we're looking at here is a bunch of different people who all want the same water and because of climate change, the water isn't there when everybody needs it. but it used to be that it have a look on my laptop. they say, you know, jerry, jerry, so adorable fishing. how old are you that jerry? probably 6 or so? no. you got a big one. i recall that. alright, so what change because this is use little joey fishing. you fish with your dad that have a quick look at dad there. this is the water source is now being argued about so fiercely reminded from when you were 6 to now what, what happened to this water source? well, as mentioned, climate change is, has changed things, drought conditions used to be abnormal, the anomaly, and now they're becoming the norm. there we have too many consumptive users and not enough water. basically, the government over allocated over promised a finite resource. and now nature and our waterways cannot deliver enough water to our agricultural producers and our fish, which are on the brink of extinction. there's another level to this in terms of farmers and then indigenous peoples relationship to the land. but i want to bring your book thompson, she's from stanford university, water resources engineering department. and she's a student. and she explained why indigenous people in this region of fighting so hard to protect their waterfalls, issues as a business people and becomes rivers. everything to us. when the river being poorly, we do poorly when we can't get food from a wire because their populations are dang off because of the drought and water the allocated to other places. then our diabetes are the rates go up and physically killing people. our families can be together all of our family kind of sit on the river and when there's no nomic income, when there is no practices culturally where we can go under grading more than as families get up and spend time. other places who we are and the people are directly tied to the river. so we're literally translate it down or people are literally encompasses everything. who we are, what it means to be indigenous. so for me in the wrong requirements river is the fight for life. and death. so that's one understanding else. water and the relationship to indigenous people from that area. i'm going to go via my laptop. hey, can you shed some pictures with us as well? you and your daughters, what do we, what are we looking at here, ben? so we understand your relationship to the land and more to, to this is me and my daughters and we did our project were replaced an older inefficient irrigation system with a new one. and that's something that has been going on ongoing and not only on my farm, but throughout the clement revelation project. especially in the last 20 years as we've faced reduced allegations we are um as, as farmers, we feel like we're a steward of the resource and i'm speaking for myself. we try and stretch the every drop water as far as we can. and the further we get into these droughts, the more critical it becomes to do that. and we are all constantly trying to adapt and be able to make our systems as, as efficient as possible. but at the end of the day, it does take some water in order to irrigate and sustain of arm. and we have to be economically healthy in order to make the kinds of investments that allow us to be more efficient, that water and that's why droughts and a complete water shut off like we saw this year are particularly devastating to our communities. because it, it takes away our ability to remain economically viable and made on a long term investments that help not only my community locally here and as far as agriculture. but the entire watershed is whole. i want to put something to you ban and this came up in the reporting from my, my colleague just russian. he was reporting on the fish dying in the, in, in the basin and, and why the fuss at dying? i'm going to play this kit team and i'd love you to respond at the end of it. let's take a look. every year, thick cloud, a blue green algae clots the water in the lake, state health authorities, when people and their pets to keep out. with nowhere else to go young, sucker, fish die and mass before reaching adulthood. if you were to have your dog drink that it would become incredibly ill if not till this year because of the extreme drought, extracting water farms could put the remaining fish at risk. there is very much a correlation between the quality of this water and the mortality of this fish. and the quality of this water is a direct result of irresponsible agricultural practices. oh, that one's hot, or is it van? well there's, there's several different factors that go into that. first i all explain a little bit about the geography of this area on my farm as most of the climate reclamation project, which is a federal irrigation project. it was one of the 1st reclamation projects that was started by us bureau reclamation after the reclamation act. i was pass in the early 19 hundreds and, and it was, it was one of the reasons was because it was recognized that it was such an ideal urge geisha project. i'm just the way the geography is the water supply. the incredible soils that we have here makes it, makes it one of the most efficient thirtyish projects anywhere. and i'm an extremely productive but i am calling about why and the sliding when you, when you talk about at fishing irrigation project ever. and why would you, smiling, articulate that smile? and just in general, i think that what he is working better than is working towards is that he's actually downstream of the lake. the wire he gets is, is, has already been filled with algae before. it even gets anywhere near his property . so it's a complicated geography and solving the problem is gonna involve both solving issues of demand for water, which is where ben and his fellow users come in. but also how we fix the quality of the water and the lake itself. and that's gonna involve a lot of different land users and, and farmers further up in the watershed closer to the mountains. i suppose i was just trying to hurry along because of a responsible, our good cultural practices. there either are that note and you will take me on a longer story finish. that story very clearly shows, so the users above oper, climate way to have more of an impact on their programs like nuts factors we insure headwaters and um there's, there's some issues and but again, going back to what i said, it takes us stable farms that are the normal resources in order to update systems and change practices in order to fix those issues and we're getting there, but nothing happens overnight takes time at so johnny, this is not just about agricultural practices, there's something much deeper going on here. can you explain? because it's there's, there's a rift between the indigenous communities and the farming communities. joey, tell us more. yes. and this is as difficult for me to stay as it is for an agricultural producer the here i'm we are unable to implement solutions which are in the fields and in the irrigation ditches and in ecosystem and habitat restoration. we are unable to implement those solutions because we're blinded by racism. we are, we keep trying to undermine tribal treaty law, water law, and we can the endangered species act. and we keep kidding ourselves by saying this is an efficient irrigation system. when it isn't, it's over a century year old engineering with no for thought or consideration, that water is a finite resource. and here we are in experiencing climate crisis and there is not enough water to go around. we can't say that we're efficient irrigation system. when we don't even meter are consumptive use. so we can, we can't claim that to efficiency. when it's not we, we don't even know our actual use usage. i'm from an and that's, that's something that i that's difficult to. um. yeah. and i, i understand where you're going, um, but i can tell you this either percent of the water you saw i far as needed. and i know exactly how much i'm putting, how much i'm putting where and i can look that in a non but not all forms. roy and stereotyping farms is as bad as, as stereotyping in a group of people. and there's, there's a shift in, in, in, and you can definitely see more and more farms are updating and becoming more modern in the practices. i haven't got any o tell you, would you agreed that that, that this producer is the farmers and the indigenous people? probably agree on 85 percent of what needs to get done in order to fix the basin in terms of more restoration in around the lake and, you know, support for farmers but potentially to have more flexibility in some of their contracts. there's a whole long list. what's frustrating for me as an, as an observer is that i think that there's a lot of agreement, but there is this sort of sense of tension that stops that agreement from happening . there. there can be here. um, and i know um, you know, 11 comment that was made was that there's, there's a lot of broken promises to the indigenous people and, and there's something else that i'm in complete agreement with because i haven't promised from united states government that saying yes, we're getting delivered this much water to your farm every year. so when you have a right to that, and so are both victims broken promises sights of any if i just made his help our audience, he may not have seen when the war to stop the the document. yeah, i highly recommend you watch it. it's streaming right now. i'm the samus of the homestead, as, as they were, were told by the federal government at the time that they could have an infinite amount of water. you can come here and farm and you can have as much money as you like. the indigenous people, his lands, a gang to live on, to walk on to farm. so also told that in the lake that they could have an infinite amount of fish that belong to them. that was part of a treaty. federal government promised to things to, to different communities. and now we have climate change. and now we have a situation where those policies are not being hacked or whose promise is should be cat. first. that is the climate just as part of the conversation up, do i want to go back to what you were saying? well, you just brought up racism like this is racism. i want to bring in, i a family called leroy. and then we can just k for him still ourselves how he talks about the indigenous people and this conflict that is going on right now. he is my not work with them. you know, have you ever tried to work with the gimme with the what? a gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme a tried working with the tribe. gimme gimme, gimme gimme. they don't give you. gimme gimme? gimme gimme joey. why can't miss conversation? walk out that. that's an example of why and the road blocks we have we, that's he, the humanized us to the point of a gimme. and that failure to recognize us as people or the failure to recognize the strength of our nation to nation treaty is preventing us from implementing those solutions in the fields and most irrigation does a irrigation systems were fighting the wrong fight in court. i'm for decades irrigators have tried to come after our water rights, which have been reaffirmed water and treaty rights, which have been reaffirmed in the court for the past 20 years. and at this point, so much time has passed t
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