k. p. m, tony blair's former ambassador to russia. so tony brandon, thank you so much for coming back on the show. i want to be slightly optimistic before we get into some of the statements being bandied around europe this week. you installed in burg, you need to at least said that the missions are going to open in moscow and in brussels, or between nato and russia. so at least that some good news talks in that that's a small is a good news. i gather is still disagreement about how many diplomats each site is going to have. well, you're going to go on to the business department. i am going to have your sales please. i know, but let me, let me just say one of the sure it is good news that after russia produced its draft treaties and it's such a demands, the west united states in particular, didn't simply say, get lost. what it said was ok, let's talk and it's good news to that, the west. ok, we can get on to what i disagree with. but they have offered some things which to, to size can discuss constructively, like arms control, like whe

k. p. m, tony blair's former ambassador to russia. so tony branch and thank you so much attorney for coming back on the show. i want to be slightly optimistic before we get into some of the statements being bandied around europe this week against oldenburg, who need to at least said that the missions were going to open in moscow and in brussels between nato and.

k. p. m, tony blair's former ambassador rogers attorney brandon. sorry to keep harping on about the media element of this, but that is after all, where normal people are normal. people informed their impressions continually the idea unchallenged. i heard on the b, b, c, the other day that nature is a defensive, a defensive organization. i know this is a point that russia and china and went to the global south and says, how can they call themselves a defensive organization? how can journalists not challenge that idea, given iraq, afghanistan, and libya, yugoslavia where i think you're wrong, nature is the difference is ation and specifically. so in the european context is found it some doing things overseas that there's no other western organization to do. like i keep buying a gas done and getting involved in iraq, you say, but in the european context, i, in our dealings with the rush, they said it is very much a defensive organization. and one depressing fact, coming back to the current disagreements about ukraine is each side is treating the other

k. p. m, tony blair's former ambassador to russia. so tony branch and thank you so much attorney for coming back on the show. i want to be slightly optimistic before we get into some of the statements being bandied around europe this week against oldenburg, who need to at least said that the missions were going to open in moscow. and in brussels, or between nato and russia. so at least that some good news talk is, is this a small is a good news? i got is still disagreement about how many diplomats each site is going to house. well, you're going to go on to the business department because i am going to have your sales research. i never let me, let me just say one of the for sure. it is good news that after russia produced its draft treaties and it's.

k. p. m, tony blair's former ambassador to russia. so tony branch and thank you so much attorney for coming back on the show. i want to be slightly optimistic before we get into some of the statements being bandied around. europe this week against oldenburg need to at least said that the missions were going to open in moscow and in brussels, or between nato and russia. so at least that some good news talks is that the slow is a good news. i gather is still disagreement about how many diplomats each site is going to house or well, you're going to go on to the business department. i'd have to go there. i am going to use research. i know. but let me, let me just say one other for sure. it is good news that after russia produced its draft treaties and it's such a demands, the west united states in particular, didn't simply say, get lost, what it said was ok, let's talk. and he's good news to that, the west. ok, we can get. she won't be disagreements, but they have offered some things which the 2 sides can discuss constructively, like arms