but on the not guilty patient counts, kaatz says holmes was one step removed from them and kew agreess intended to hurt patients. that's the one hurdle i could not get past on that. >> reporter: as for holmes' allegations she was abused by her former boyfriend, sunny balwani, claims balwani has denied, kaatz said the jury felt sympathetic but mostly avoided the subject because they didn't think it was relevant to the charges. in the end the two say the jury respected elizabeth's belief in her technology, in her dream. and that even though it felt the guilty verdicts were just, it was still really hard to convict her according to kaatz and kew agrees. >> i thought she was genuine and i trusted her testimony to be honest. >> reporter: kaatz told us while they listened to witness testimony they would pinch themselves to stay awake. things did get dense and complex. in their downtime they did puzzles together and ordered the same lunch. for many, many weeks, sandwiches, ham, turkey and roast beef. he told us that the jurors famously got along together that they were like a family at the e