what i noticed was that around the kaba, there is no segregation. men and women are together.r between a man and a woman in the very holy shrine of islam. >> the kaba is the holiest shrine. >> the hole ye shrine in the city of mecca, the birth place of islam. you leave the kaba and go to burger kick or starbucks which is next to the shrine, you have to be separated. men and women go two different ways because the saudi king tom physically separates men and women in every public space. thinking that's the pious thing to to. if you want to talk to a lady this is the only place you can do this is the kaba. >> what do you say people say fine christianity was intolerant 500 years ago. right now we're dealing with islam is going through a very intolerant phase and it is, therefore, the problem? >> i would' gr aagree with that unfortunately. not all of islam. we have islamic groups movements that are really intolerant and sometimes violent. my argument -- i'm not someone who says there's no problem with the muslim world. i accept that there are big problems especially from a liberal