government, but it doesn't mean that what's paid for in government isn't already larger than what kacanada pays for heah care in government? isn't that right? >> it's true the united states spends more total on health care as a shared gdp than other industrial countries. >> i'd like to ge on looking at that for a couple of reasons. a lot of discussion about austerity, and this kind of brings it back home a little bit. i'm an art laugher economic guy. but i think we can all understand, i knew that was good for a laugh here -- we can all understand that all economists tend to believe there's probably a sweet spot. in other words a right balance of public and private spending. a right balance and so on, as we talk about austerity in greece or in portugal, in any country, we talk about austerity here and particularly, mr. secretary, aren't we agreeing that we're trying to get to the same position, whatever that sweet spot is of promoting growth through not taking it all to the government, and that we're only debating when you talk about this, the rate of austerity, we're not debating where we