-kacey: yes. -lemonis: any good? -kacey: yes. -lemonis: does it sell well? -kacey: it does.he price like on a bag like this? -kacey: 20 bucks. -lemonis: is that a good price? lisa: yes, we have some brands that -- lemonis: "features premium formulation, multi-protein sources, made in the usa." lisa: "made in the usa." i'm telling you, the packaging won't do well. lemonis: now you're a packaging expert? lisa: no, but i'm telling you. [ horn honks ] lemonis: "quality loyal, not brand loyal." "focusing on brands that get it right from the start." lisa: there's a lot of brands that have made garbage food for a long time and now realize there's a natural market. and they're making one or two skus to jump on the bandwagon, but their integrity -- you know what i mean? lemonis: but you just said you were product loyal, not brand loyal. so doesn't that go both ways? you want to kick somebody out because they do something that you don't like, but you don't want to let somebody in if they start to adjust to your way of thinking. lisa: because they still are selling the bad products out