i do disagree strongly with my ,ormer colleague alex kaczynski an immigrant from a former communist country, which i think has worked his idea of the value a gun might have. the phrase is sometimes used against our current president, tyrant. >> thank you, john. you can't sit down. the next question is for you. >if the government cannot deal with the number firearms either by -- bought by a law-abiding person, what is the limit on a cartridge if iran could hold? how is public safety affected one way or the other if a bad guy has to guns that hold 10 rounds each or one gun that holds 20? >> these are very legitimate questions. what are the types of controls that will make a difference? limit the that if you number of rounds that a particular gun can carry, one way in which a criminal can can -- subvert that is to carry multiple guns, but we did learn in the adam lanza scenario that clips, in with 30-around which meant he could fire 30 bullets before he had to reload, and it was when he had to reload that 11 children were able to run out of the school room in newtown. those lives were saved. i