he notably praised the writings of kaczynski mangione, like several passages from kaczynski's manifesto his review defending it, writing, it's easy to quickly and thoughtless. write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic. >> i think mangione is very much inspired by the work of kaczynski and his manifesto. >> scott bond is a criminologist who has written about serial killers and kaczynski. he says he sees a chilling similarity. >> they have to find a way to justify it, and in the case of kaczynski and also mangione, i believe that they justified it as this was a necessary evil. >> other notable similarities. both men, highly intelligent and ivy league educated. kaczynski, a harvard grad mathematician, while mangione minored in mathematics at the university of pennsylvania, where he also majored in computer science and engineering and had a masters. kaczynski was estranged from his family, living as a recluse in montana. mangione mother reported her 26 year old son missing about two weeks before the shooting, telling police at the time she had not spoken to him since july. and while kacz

he notably praised the writings of kaczynski mangione, like several passages from kaczynski's manifesto in his review, defending it, writing, it's easy to quickly and thoughtless. write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic. >> i think mangione is very much inspired by the work of kaczynski and his manifesto. >> scott bond is a criminologist who has written about serial killers and kaczynski. he says he sees a chilling similarity. >> they have to find a way to justify it, and in the case of kaczynski and also mangione, i believe that they justified it as this was a necessary evil. >> other notable similarities. both men are highly intelligent and ivy league educated. kaczynski, a harvard grad mathematician. while mangione minored in mathematics at the university of pennsylvania, where he also majored in computer science and engineering and had a masters. kaczynski was estranged from his family, living as a recluse in montana. mangione mother reported her 26 year old son missing about two weeks before the shooting, telling police at the time she had not spoken to him since july. and whi

kaczynski, a harvard grad mathematician. while mangione minored in mathematics at the university of pennsylvania, where he also majored in computer science and engineering and had a masters. kaczynski was estranged from his family, living as a recluse in montana. mangione mother reported her 26 year old son missing about two weeks before the shooting, telling police at the time she had not spoken to him since july. and while kaczynski targeted universities and airlines, mangione allegedly had his sights set on the health care industry and unitedhealthcare ceo. police found a three page handwritten claim of responsibility on mangione. he also wrote in a spiral notebook, much like kaczynski did, writing what could be better than to kill the ceo at his own bean counting conference. it should be noted that kaczynski's brother david has spoken out in the wake of the shooting, saying violence is not the answer. in a statement to cnn saying kaczynski's actions were blind, misguided, cruel and utterly inconsistent with his goal of p

kaczynski got a phd. kaczynski he had a disdain for technology, mangione disdain for corporations. of society, mangione dropped off the radar family and friends. here we have two highly intelligent people who apparently according to police went completely off the rails. in your experience how does that happen? >> well, you just don't know what happens in people's lives. we just don't know what that switch that may have been thrown that took this person from a course of being an accomplice, individual, person of privilege, to now being a suspect in this act. yesterday, we did speak about this, john, and i mentioned in a different way the parallel between ted kaczynski and the unabomber, who identified ted kaczynski was a family member, and in this case it was not a family member or anyone else he knew closely who came up and said this is him in the photos, it happened to be a stranger in a mcdonald's. there are some parallels and i think it is interesting that somebody who is highly educated, obviously quite intelligent, there is something that happens along the way. we just don't k

advocate or acolyte of ted kaczynski having read his manifesto. having quoted from.ie getting long after or a couple years after he was dead long after his offenses we are getting some of these people who see kaczynski as a hero when he wasn't and neither is the shooter of the ceo in new york. >> laura: andrew, on this point, again, extremely bright. extremely studious, well-liked. he also, according to one report, i think the "new york post" has this, had harvard -- recent age anti-capitalist views. anti-medical industry views. what of that? >> i think it's motive. i think they are really going to dig into that. i think there was a review that fox news reported on earlier today about you he gave a review on the ted kaczynski book and basically adhering to some of those principles a good prosecutor is going to take that he is going to mold it. and that's going to be the motive for doing this crime. every jury wants do see a motive. that's the sort of thing that, you know, a juror can look at and say wait a minute, this is why the smart, bright, by all accounts genius

i think kaczynski was just getting even with the world. i don't think he could possibly be zodiac. >> there's no credible evidence that ted kaczynski was the zodiac, and no one in law enforcement appears to think that he's a viable suspect our fascination with the zodiac killer has spawned so many theories about who the killer actually is, and some of them are outlandish, and some of them are just intriguing. >> but every once in a while, there's a theory that captures everyone's attention. in 1991, michael maggio that lover's lane passenger who actually survived being shot, was shown a picture and he said, that's the guy just point blank. >> are you a murderer? >> andy anderson, take a seat. look at this. you're wet, disheveled. there's debris hitting you. >> why do you have that on your phone? >> i watch it all the time. hey, listen, we need to be ready for new year's eve. there could be an ice storm or a hurricane and obviously, confetti maybe you are ready. >> new year's eve live with anderson and andy. live coverage starts at eight on

and ideology of his is which by the way was never original to ted kaczynski, french philosopher fromk, ted kaczynski plagiarized his manifesto much of what is there and many of these today are plagiarizing what ted kaczynski did after that including luigi mangione. >> harris: in your experiences as an fbi profiler, what can we maybe look at with this current assassin suspect right now in terms of just the change from what people say they knew, what alexis was reporting on it, but i had been reporting on with his mom in the missing persons report, he almost pulled away six months ago. >> we look at cases like this, almost sort of a character with a fantasy life, something happened, some stressor, real or perceived, perception to somebody who is not mentally all there becomes reality. something in the last six months, and i had a back surgery, he has been in some pain, i would like to know what kind of medications he has been on, is he a marijuana smoker, any kind of other drugs some said about mushrooms you had experimented with, i do not know. no excuses but there may be some deep me

talking about his research and ted kaczynski which he gets wrong but nevertheless. he talks about finally, the scariest part, that he is the only person that can solve this dilemma. he is the only person that can right this wrong. and that is probably the most frightening part about what he wrote. >> martha: you mentioned that he quotes kaczynski and says that he had the balls to recognize that peaceful protest has gotten us absolutely nowhere in at the end of the day he's probably right. when all other forms of communication fail, bounces necessary to survive. you may not like his methods but to see things from his perspective is not terrorism, it's war and revolution. quick thought on that if you can? >> i think he is interpreting ted kaczynski's word in his own thoughts and that is consistent with someone that has an idea in their head and they start to support it by reading other people's writings or literature but customize it to make it fit. the manifesto in terms of what ted kaczynski said, it does not say that. >> martha: maryellen o'toole, extraordinary amo

. >> there is some semblance of this guy to ted kaczynski that hannah palmer with manifesto grooming at the top of his class, but this particular person is much more outgoing and socially oriented than ted ever was in the indicator there is a back surgery he may have had and tilted him towards anger at the medical insurance companies. interestingly backhand 'exceeds turned down for operation and decided to kill people in this guy is an accolade of ted kaczynski read his manifesto and quoted from it. once again, a couple of years after dad and his offenses, we see people that see ted kaczynski as a hero but he was a shooter of a ceo in new york. >> laura: andrew, on this point, again, extremely bright, extremely studious, well-liked, and also according to one report in "the new york post," harvard of recent age anticapitalist views. medical industry views. wad of that? >> i think it is a mode of. i think they will dig into that and i think there was a views fox news reported on he gave a view on the ted kaczynski book and basically adhering to some of the principles. a good prosecutor

and so he became interested in kaczynski's work for this reason, because kaczynski also believed this, um, and a lot of the conversation that we had was really about, you know, how technology is taking people's agency away from them and how how we can sort of restore it, how we can reclaim our agency, how we can reclaim control over our lives. so that was something that resonated with with him about kaczynski's work. >> so i want to ask you more about that. but first, when you're talking about, you know, his his view about humans losing agency, i know one of the exchanges you shared with us when he's talking about, uh, being in japan, and he had spent time there and he's talking about npc behavior, which stands for non-player characters, which appear in video games and npcs tend to behave very predictably. right? they don't think for themselves. so he and in his exchange with you, he writes, japan is peak npc ville scary lack of free will in this country. i'll have to tell you a story from my morning today, where i saw a dude have a seizure on the street and run two blocks to the poli

andrew kaczynski that those writings he says he calls him a political revolutionary. >> it's ted kaczynski, i should say. sorry, wolf. the other thing i want to say to you is that the nypd is there on scene, but also the fbi is on scene there in pennsylvania. so it is potentially possible that he could face some federal charges as well. wolf. >> we shall see. ari shimon prokupecz in new york for us thank you very much. let's get some analysis from our experts right now. john miller, you've been watching this very, very closely working your sources. what are you hearing from your sources right now and what else are you learning about this gun found with the suspect well, the gun is interesting. it's a ghost gun, which means it's not a gun that was manufactured by a gun manufacturer like smith. and wesson or colt or something like that. it's based on a glock kind of model but you put it together yourself and investigators believe that this particular gun and you see it there with the slide pulled back and a magazine, which is probably capable of holding 14 rounds in the box there, they belie

and this is exactly what kaczynski did. and the ties, the clear ties between kaczynski and and this case in terms of creating a narrative that the killing isn't just a killing, it's a killing for a purpose. that purpose then elevates the person, right? so they become sort of some sort of cult leader. and remember, kaczynski also had followers like this. we didn't have the internet or social media, but he had a lot of people who were kind of into him, and we see that now, and the danger of that isn't simply it's wrong. it's disgusting. he murdered and assassinated a person, but then you get into the copycat aspects of this. people who do not have the mental deterioration or the physical deterioration and just decide this is the way forward for social, for whatever i deem as social justice. >> yeah. kris mohandie, juliette kayyem. thank you. coming up, a tip from the public was the key to the apprehension of the suspect. we're going to take a look at other high profile investigations that came to a close. with the help of goo

>> theodore kaczynski. blake masters later admitted, quote, probably not great to be talking about the unabomber while campaigning. just to be clear that he knew that when he was talking about theodore kaczynski, he's talking about the unabomber. underrated thinker. people should look into him. people should look into an underrated thinker that would influence people in a good direction. unabomber fan reportedly trump's choice to lead the atf which despite its acronym is responsible not only for alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, but also explosives. sure, why not put the unabomber fan in charge of the federal agency that regulates explosives? we've also had news in the last few days that trump has his choice made for his special envoy for hostage affairs. incredibly serious job, literally life or death stakes every day and every circumstance in which that envoy works. a sensitive position in the u.s. government. the special envoy for hostage affairs, donald trump has reportedly chosen jared kushner's college

. >> andrew kaczynski joins me now. all right andrew, tell me more about what you found. >> well, that's right, we found multiple posts that she had deleted on january 6th in the aftermath of that riot that she had sent. one of them praised vice president mike pence for certifying the election. the other praised a capitol hill police officer. and i want to run people through both of them and talk about the significance of it. now, let's take a look here at this pence one. first, where she's retweeting someone. this is on her feed. she took it off. it says love him or hate him. he kept the wheels of democracy moving and pushed forward to certify his own loss. thank you, mr. vice president. that post also included a video of mike pence certifying the election, calling it a dark day in our nation's history well, why did she remove that? well, that post essentially admits that donald trump lost the 2020 election, something that he still doesn't admit and something that the entire republican party has been just such a big pa

and, among them, was him giving four stars to ted kaczynski, the unabomber's manifesto.ple who are old enough to remember, ted kaczynski sent mail bombs all around the country, murdered three people and hurt dozens of others, but wanted those attacks to draw attention to his manifesto which was the critique of industrialization and the tech revolution that we were living through. and that is why some police officials believe that this suspect might have been inspired by kaczynski, who as i'm saying, used violence to draw attention to his political beliefs. >> that is william brangham with the latest on the killing of that united health care ceo. william, thank you. >> thanks, amna. ♪ >> for the past two years, judy woodruff has been exploring the deep divisions we see playing out every day in the country. as we wrap up the year, she recently sat down with a panel of noted thinkers to talk through their concerns and their hopes following the election. it is part of her ongoing series, america at a crossroads. >> we met last week at the lincoln cottage in washington, d.c.,

and he's talking about ted kaczynski. he was a violent individual, rightfully imprisoned, who maimed innocent people. while these actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy luddite, however, they are more accurately seen as those of an extreme political revolutionary. also, apparently laura on that website goodreads, he had expressed interest in wanting to get and read more and more books about having to cope with back pain. also, we believe that he sought books on mental illness and things like that. so just kind of a hint on on that part of his online persona. we also have seen messages to him on social media from friends and others who are wondering who were wondering before this shooting took place in manhattan that they were saying to him that they had not seen him in a while. we're wondering where he was telling him that his family was also looking for him. >> brian, how many pieces of the jigsaw puzzle will this investigation lead? we're in the very beginning. thank you so much. i want to bring in john mi

yes, kaczynski went to harvard when he was 16. yes, he went to university of michigan and got a doctorate before he was 24. but people that knew him at those schools describe someone who was a loner. sometimes he would not come out of his room, his dorm room, for days, but he was disheveled and crimped. um, that sounds like someone suffering. uh, at least one mental disorder. um, for mangione. and i'm not diagnosing. but when you look at his stellar history and what we are saying about him now, what we are learning about him now, it's a head scratcher. you say, what happened? >> well, what does it tell you about his past? >> because of my background in psychology. >> sorry, i didn't mean to interrupt you. please continue. >> no. for me, because of my psych background, i'm looking at this and saying, well. something emerged that, um uh, threw him off course, and he his admiration of ted kaczynski is. i think it kind of speaks to where he's at in his head. >> yeah. okay. well, that was, uh, the the answer to my question. forgive me.

that is why some police officials believe this suspect might have been inspired by kaczynski, who usedto draw attention to his political beliefs. amna: that is william with the latest on the killing of the united health care ceo. thank you. william: thank you. ♪ amna: for the past two years, judy woodruff has been exploring the deep divisions we play out every day in the country. as we wrap up the year she recently sat down with a panel of noted thinkers to talk through their concerns and hopes following the election. it is part of her ongoing series -- america at a crossroads. >> we met last week at the lincoln cottage in washington, d.c. a place we have returned to throughout our series. here in the room where the 16th president drafted the emancipation proclamation. joining me was a former federal appellate judge, one of the leading nation's conservative jurors. a historian from boston college and author on the daily letters from an american. and theodore johnson, a contributing columnist from the washington post and retired naval offer. i began by asking them what they thought the

about ted kaczynski and his manifesto. here's a quote from what luigi mangione wrote on that website. quote. and he's talking here about ted kaczynski. he was a violent individual, rightfully imprisoned who maimed innocent people. while these actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy luddite. however, they are more accurately seen as those of an extreme political revolutionary. also, apparently laura on that website goodreads, he had expressed interest in wanting to get and read more and more books about having to cope with back pain. also, we believe that he sought books on mental illness and things like that, so it's just kind of a hint on on that part of his online persona. we also have seen messages to him on social media from friends and others who are wondering who were wondering before this shooting took place in manhattan that they were saying to him that they had not seen him in a while. we're wondering where he was telling him that his family was also looking for him. >> brian, how many pieces of the j

just to be clear that he knew that when he was talking about theodore kaczynski, he was talking about the unit bomber. underrated thinker, people should look into. an underrated thinker that would influence people in a good direction. reportedly trump's choice to lead the atf, which despite its acronym, is responsible not only for alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, but also explosives. sure, why not put the unabomber fan in charge of the federal agency that regulates explosives? we have also had news in the past few days that trump has his choice made for the special envoy for hostage affairs. incredibly serious job, literally a life or death stakes every single day and every single circumstance in which that envoy works just an unbelievably sensitive position in the u.s. government. for that job, as special a hostage affairs envoy, trump has reported the chosen jared kushner's college roommate. sure, why not? i mean, as long as we are talking about the news intruding on this reverie, we have also just had the fall of syria and the exile of the longtime syrian dictator considered respons

no, kaczynski is a murderer, murdered 3, wounded 23 others.othy mcveigh who bombed the federal building in oklahoma, wore a t-shirt that said "thus always to tyrants." they see themselves as an avenging guy taking up weapons against an oppressor and requires a moral inversion where bad becomes good and right becomes wrong. but they're not crazy. that's the other thing we have to understand, that they're not delusional. he knew what he was doing was wrong, and i don't think an insanity defense is going to hold up. we look at that the way he carried out the crime, checked into a hostel with a fake i.d., paid cash, conducted preattack surveillance, laid in wait, concealed his identity with a hoodie and mask, and he fled the scene and alluded capture for days. all that indicates he knew what he was doing was wrong. >> he was smart, if you read the interviews that have been done with friends with his across his life. they said he was incredibly smart. graduates with a bachelor's and masters degree from an ivy league school. we also learn from his p

including a review of the unabomber's 1995 manifesto in which ted kaczynski decries modern technology and its dehumanizing effect on society. mangione apparently writing, quote, ted kaczynski was a violent individual, rightfully imprisoned, who maimed insbt people. while these actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy luddite, however, they're more accurately seen as those of an extreme political revolutionary. so is that what mangione was hoping for himself? in the aftermath of brian thompson's murder, a torrent of anger has flooded social media, some holding up mangione as a folk hero, as others vented about what it's actually like to deal with health insurance. >> no one deserves this, but as a mom who was nine months pregnant, sitting in the emergency room with my 1-year-old baby, being told she had a giant brain tumor that was causing her brain to essentially swell out of her head, she sat in the hospital for three days. she needed to be transferred to new york city so she could have emergency brain surgery, and instead, we sat in the hospital for three days because un

both rudolph and kaczynski had eluded capture by hiding and surviving in the wilderness. >> they can of the land especially if they're experienced right. >> rudolph was experience some notorious manhunts have been resolved when the relatives of suspects came forward to give law enforcement crucial information that led to their capture, as what occurred in the unabomber case. >> analysts say that could happen with this current new york manhunt, but that could depend on whether this suspect might have been trying to avenge a relative who may have had a bad experience with unitedhealthcare anderson. >> brian todd, thanks so much. jon miller is back with us. you know, when you look at that, the photo, the you know, the one photo where he's smiling in that flirtatious moment, apparently he had with the person in the hospital. you do feel like anybody who really knows knows this person would look at that and be able to say, oh yeah, that's that's the you know, the person i know that's bob. >> right. you know, whoever so that's what they're counting on and that's worked before. but let's ta

just, you know, thought provoking discussion. >> jesse: you suggested reading ted kaczynski's book? you interested in that? >> i have an academia background and i enjoy reading anything, right, left, middle, progressive, things about ancients, the future, and wanted to understand a little bit more about what he wrote, why he wrote it and maybe some historical talk on text around that. >> jesse: okay. there's a lot of academic books. that's just interesting that that tickled your fancy. did you turn him onto the you know unabomber? it sounds like it? >> i wouldn't say i turned him onto it. it was my selection for our book club. >> jesse: because the manifesto that we got our hands on cites that quite often. do you feel strange now that this guy you lived six months with is now been picked up on murder charges? >> i feel strange because he was a great friend and i consider him a close friend and that somebody who would assassinate somebody is completely incompatible with the person that i lived with, the person that i cooked meals with, the person that was part of book club and other

one person who would agree with you that it was a good idea to get a college degree would be ted kaczynski, the unabomber who went to berkeley. i'm sure he put his degree to good. host: what do you think? guest: thank you for the question. and thank you for the opportunity to clarify what i think about this. i agree entirely that you can be successful in a number of different careers without going to college and i don't think that everybody should go to college. and i think it is very important for us to recognize that as a country and for academic institutions as well as the government to support people who make other choices. on the other hand, what i do believe and what i did say is that the people who want to go to college and the people who make that choice, it is going to be a spectacularly good investment to go to college. if you just take a look at the data about my institution, or for your college degrees more generally, the return on investment is very strong. it provides you with a lot of other opportunities as well. that doesn't mean it is a smart choice for everybody, it just

industrial society and its future book, ted kaczynski is the unabomber.w because i think it's pertinent. he writes it's easy to write this off as the manifesto of a lunatic iporder to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies but it's simply impossible to ignore how prescient some of his predictions turned out. he was a violent individual, rightfully imprisoned. while his actions tend to be characterized as those of a crazy luddite, however they're more accurately seen as those of an extreme political revolutionary. he then takes a whole section from another online post and he posts it here on this review. it includes a line that says, when all other forms of communication fail, violence is necessary to survive. the picture that we're seeing of this person is a utilitarian, someone believes the good of many outweigh the good of a few. >> right, katy. this is just a series of posts. you're referencing them and weaving us through this ideology or this thought process of this individual, luigi mangione, who has not been charged but is a s

both rudolph and kaczynski had eluded capture by hiding and surviving in the wilderness. >> they canways to live off the land, especially if they're experienced right rudolph was experience some notorious manhunts have been resolved when relatives of the suspects came forward to give law enforcement crucial information that led to their capture as what occurred in the unabomber case, analysts say that's a possibility with the new york manhunt, but that could depend on whether this suspect might have tried to avenge a relative who may have had a bad experience with unitedhealthcare brian todd cnn, washington well, weeks before president-elect trump takes office, two federal judges decide not to retire instead, to stay on the bench why? >> some in congress are angry this holiday season, find the perfect gift at cnn, underscored from the latest fashion to expert approved tech to the best beauty finds. >> discover it all at underscore. com one a next level clean swish with the whoa of listerine. >> it kills 99.9% of bad breath germs for five times more cleaning power than brushing and fl

. >> reporter: about a year ago, he posted a review of the manifesto by ted kaczynski saying he was a individual rightfully imprisoned who maimed innocent people, but describing him as an extreme political revolutionary. in this video, brian thompson's killer is seen moments before the murder waiting for the unitedhealthcare executive. when the gunman spots his target, he runs across the street and opened fire, leaving thompson to die on the sidewalk. >> our nypd investigators combed through thousands of hours of video, followed up on hundreds of tips, and processed every bit of forensic evidence. >> police stitched together a timeline of the suspect's movements from the moment he arrived in new york ten days before the shooting. he kept a mask over his face at all times except for this one unguarded moment when he checked into the hostel. surveillance cameras catching him at a hilton, at a starbucks and getting into a taxi at the bus station where he vanished. police found bullets with the words deny, defend, and depose, a possible reference to grievances with the insurance industry.

on good reads, he shared someone else's take on the manifesto written by the unabomber ted kaczynski. when all other forms of communication fail, violence is justified, mangione saying he found it interesting. thompson's murder triggered a backlash online against healthcare companies, many sharing their anger with the industry. some people even celebrating the killer. at unitedhealthcare in minnesota, the company put up teorary fencing while a private funeral was held for the ceo, 50-year-old father of two, brian thompson. stephanie gosk, nbc news, altoona, pennsylvania. >>> now to the verdict in another high-profile case here in new york city. a jury in manhattan finding daniel penny not guilty of criminally negligent homicide, clearing the former marine in the chokehold death of jordan neely. neely was the subway performer experiencing homelessness. penny's defenders say he was protecting subway riders who were frightened by neely's behavior. this comes after the judge dismissed the top charge of manslaughter last week when the jury deadlocked. >>> the morning, the former ceo of abe

he shared someone else's take on the manifesto written by the unabomber, ted kaczynski. mangione saying he found it interesting. authorities have not identified a motive for thompson's murder but law enforcement sources say the ullets left at the scene were left with three words, deny, depose. >> we believe at this point our investigation he was acting alone. >> reporter: thompson's murder triggered a backlash online against health care industries. some people even celebrating the killer. at unitedhealthcare in minnesota the company put up temporary fencing while today a private funeral was held for the ceo, 50-year-old father of two, brian thompson. stephanie gosk, altoona, pennsylvania. >>> i'm joined by nbc's tom winter who has been following every step of this investigation. what else are police looking at as they try to piece together what happened? >> investigators from the nypd bureau will try to figure out what the motive may be. we're told they're looking at a post on social media with x-rays and screws in the back. is that a relative? does it have connections t

on good reads, he shared someone else's take on the manifesto written by the unabomber, ted kaczynski. when all other forms of communication fail, violence is necessary to survive. it's not terrorism. it's war and revolution. mangione saying he found it interesting. thompson's murder triggered a backlash online against healthcare companies. many sharing their anger with the industry. some people even celebrating the killer. at unitedhealthcare in minnesota, the company put up temporary fencing while a private funeral was held for the ceo, 50-year-old father of two, brian thompson. >>> a verdict has been reached in another case that captured national attention. a jury in manhattan finding daniel penny not guilty in the chokehold death of jordan neely. nbc's laura jarrett has the details. >> reporter: a jury in manhattan finding daniel penny not guilty, clearing the marine veteran of any criminal wrongdoing for putting a man in this fatal chokehold on the subway last ar. some in the courtroom erupting in anger. others in relief, as crowds of demonstrators gathered outside, reflecting th

both rudolph and kaczynski had eluded capture by hiding and surviving in the wilderness they can findof the land, especially if they're experienced right rudolph was experienced some notorious manhunts have been resolved when relatives of the suspects came forward to give law enforcement crucial information that led to their capture as what occurred in the unabomber case, analysts say that could happen in the current new york manhunt, but that could depend on whether this suspect might have tried to avenge a relative who may have had a bad experience with unitedhealthcare wolf. all right, brian todd, bringing back a lot of memories with all those cases. thank you very much. also breaking tonight, the judge overseeing the trial of daniel penny, the ex-marine who killed jordan neely with a chokehold aboard the new york subway last year, has dismissed the top manslaughter charge in the case after the jury repeatedly deadlocked. and that clears the way for the jury to deliberate a lesser charge in the case. joining us now attorney and legal affairs commentator areva martin areva, thanks f

it tells me he's a little bit naive, or maybe a whole lot naive, because the the devices that ted kaczynski built were really pretty complicated, and they were extremely effective. >> you have to know what you're doing. if you're going to build a bomb, you have to have some background, some knowledge, some experience. you have to have the components. you have to have a place to do it. you have to know what you're doing. and that just considering that was probably pretty overwhelming. and yes, granted, um, a bomb can end up killing other people, but i just think the the complexities of building a device were probably a very compelling reason for him not to do it. >> and that strikes me as a curious point here. when you've got people who are as as it seems that he is looking to somebody notorious like the unabomber, we hear the word copycat come to mind for some people. but what do you know about the people who look to these figures and idolize in some way and we've seen that in certainly in other cases where people that are contemplating carrying out a similar act will look to prior crimes a

but i mean that the outburst and the writings reminds me, you know, and his his affinity for ted kaczynski and his writings. i would not be surprised, since he just kind of had this huge behavioral shift six months ago that everyone agrees was massive, that he's decompensating. it's consistent with schizophrenia, which is very typically onset in the 20s of young men. so it will be interesting to see what happens when a psychiatrist is able to evaluate him. >> and mark, when does that happen? and and and obviously is that from the perspective of his lawyer, how quickly do they want to do that? and is that something we would know about when it first happens? >> well, we should not know about it because it's supposed to be privileged communications. and whenever you bring in an expert to the jail, although everyone can see him go in, you're not supposed to, but it should happen yesterday. you want it to happen as close in time to the event so that the psychiatrist is going to come in, is going to see some of that. because, as was just said, if he is suffering from a specific mental health dis

would have been to be discovered and to become a sort of quasi adverse celebrity like ted kaczynski. >> well, of course, in one of the things that we're learning is he had writings like literally writings about ted kaczynski there. so that's a link that he apparently wanted to make there. what questions do you still have that are unanswered? >> well interestingly, i don't know whether he's a stupid criminal or whether he was planning to commit more terroristic acts because holding on to the gun, the manuscript, the fake ids, any any, well, astute criminal would have deposited all that in central park or wherever, but not held on to them so it leads me to believe that maybe he had another use for these items. yeah he had not discarded the gun, as you said that is certainly notable. >> i wonder what lessons can be learned here because on the one hand, there is some remarkable police work and use of technology that combined to catch him. on the other hand, he did get out of new york city. >> well, mr. berman, that's a great question. but when you look at it from a certain distance, a st

he also expressed reverence for the unabomber, ted kaczynski, saying he made some good points but was a serial killer, which makes him a monster. luigi mangione wasn't your average guy. before getting two degrees from penn, he was valedictorian for maryland's most prestigious private school. >> as we embrace the new, however, we won't forget the old. our friendships, values, and memories from gilman will always stay with us. so to the class of 2016, a kind of class that only comes around once every 50 years. it's been an incredible journey, and i simply can't imagine the last few years with any other group of guys. >> thank you. luigi comes from a wealthy italian family in maryland. his grandfather was a self-made multi-millionaire real estate developer. he was also known to rub elbows with powerful people in maryland, like nancy pelosi's father, the former mayor. so how did a wealthy, well-connected, straight-a high school valedictorian with two degrees from an ivy league school get arrested for murder? let's ask his friend rj martin, who lived with luigi for a few months in honolulu

andrew kaczynski joins me now. so, andrew, let's start with some of the opinions that hegseth has expressed that you have unearthed, especially in the context of what we're looking at tonight. right. a nomination in jeopardy in particular, how he thinks the government should deal with rioters in the united states. what did you find? >> yeah so as riots and protests were breaking out across the american cities in the summer of 2020, hegseth, who was then a host of fox and friends, the morning show on fox news, came down on the side of using the u.s. >> military to possibly quell some of that unrest. >> he cited a couple of examples, in particular, that we found, one of which was that autonomous zone that got set up in seattle. the other was sending the national guard to d.c.. >> and this is something that i think we should note that did according to some polls, actually have majority support sending the u.s. military to break up riots, not protesters, but riots. that is something that wasn't necessarily it was contr

andrew kaczynski joins me now. so, andrew, you have been digging into his path since he was announced as defense secretary. pick to find what he said, whether it squares with where he is now on crucial issues. tell us what you found now. >> yeah. >> and what's really remarkable about this audio that we found is not only that he spreads this sort of insane conspiracy theory that the initial break in to the u.s. capitol was done by leftists disguised as trump supporters. but in this same audio, he also seemingly justifies the actions of those trump supporters by suggesting that their actions were rooted in legitimate grievances about the 2020 election. he himself says here that he thought the 2020 election was rigged. he immediately also attacked those who condemned both trump and and the rioters. he said he didn't like the knee jerk reaction. aaron, this podcast is just four days after that attack on the u.s. capitol, and he said particularly that he saw these these these leftists, these antifa members with his own

over the course of 17 years, ted kaczynski, the unabomber, mailed or hand-delivered bombs across the.s. that killed three people. he was captured in 1996 after his brother tipped off law enforcement. both rudolph and kaczynski had eluded capture by hiding and surviving in the wilderness they can find ways to live off of the land, especially if they're experienced right. >> rudolph was experienced some notorious manhunts have been resolved when relatives of the suspects came forward to give law enforcement crucial information that led to their capture, as what occurred in the unabomber case. >> analysts say that's a possibility with the new york manhunt, but that could depend on whether this suspect might have tried to avenge a relative who may have had a bad experience with unitedhealthcare brian todd, cnn, washington coming up, paris is ready to host dozens of heads of state and thousands of others. >> the iconic notre dame cathedral is reopening after a raging fire almost destroyed it you only come across an artist like luther vandross once in a lifetime. >> luther never too much n

like ted kaczynski, whose 17 year bombing campaign killed three and injured 23 people.mangione may become a martyr. abc news also obtained a copy of what police say is the alleged killer's handwritten screed. it says these parasites simply had it coming, and these mafioso have gotten too powerful and continue to abuse our country for immense profit. >> specifically, he states how we are the number one most expensive health care system in the world. yet the life expectancy of an american is ranked 42 in the world. so he was writing a lot about his disdain for corporate america and in particular, the health care industry. >> but even as police dig into a motive, there are still questions about the alleged shooter's background. mangione was from a prominent maryland family and the valedictorian at his elite prep school, as seen here in a 2016 speech for a school founder's day ceremony. >> i'm honored to be speaking to you all today on behalf of the gilman class of 2016. >> he went on to become an ivy league graduate, leading many to wonder how could he become an accused ki

the ted kaczynski love could've been a red flag.re was something else raising alarm bells. >> mangione was in regular contact with friends and family until about six months ago when he suddenly and inexplicably stopped communicating with them. >> in july, a friend messaged him on x: "hey, man, i need you to call me. you made commitments to me for my wedding and if you can't honor them, i need to know so i can plan accordingly." >> michael: yeah, sorry, bro, but luigi was busy planning the most important day of his life. [laughs] but this is a good reminder: when you get mad at someone for not responding, be kind. you never know what they're going through. they might be plotting an assassination. but now this guy has been arrested and normally most people believe that getting a suspected killer off the streets is a good thing. but that's not exactly what happened this time. >> surging support on social media for murder suspect luigi mangione. the #freeluigi trending worldwide. >> y'all saying murderer. i'm saying freedom fighter. >>

on goodreads, mangione shared someone else's take on the manifesto by unibomber ted kaczynski.hen all other forms of communication fail, violence is necessary to survive. it's not terrorism, it's war and revolution. mangione saying he found it interesting. thompson's murder triggered a backlash online against health care companies, many sharing their anger with the industry. some people even celebrating the killer. at unitedhealthcare in minnesota, the company put up temporary fencing and today a private funeral was held for the 50-year-old father of two, brian thompson. stephanie gosk, nbc pennsylvania., >> joined now by tom winter who has been following every step of this investigation. what else are police look at to piece together what happened? >> investigators from the nypd detective bureau and intelligence analysts will try to figure out what the motive may be in the case. we're told they're looking at a post on social media with x-rays and screws in the back. is that his back, a relative? does it have connection to the case? one of many items they're looking at. and why

confirmed they also uncovered an online book review from the suspect, giving the unabomber ted kaczynski'ss four stars. cbs's lilia luciano leads us off tonight from the scene of that arrest. good evening, lilia. >> reporter: good evening, norah. this mcdonald's, this is the place where that multistate six-day manhunt finally came to an end. let me tell you, we just got here, and it still feels quite active. we are seeing neighbors show up asking questions, and just minutes ago, i saw a large 6 to 7 nypd convoy rush through with sirens blasting towards where i assume is the courthouse. investigators say a mcdonald's employee in altoona, pennsylvania, called police at around 9:15 a.m. today after recognizing the man in these photos, who was eating at the restaurant. >> members of the altoona police department arrested luigi mangione, a 26-year-old male, on firearms charges. >> reporter: responding officers said mangione was acting suspiciously and carrying a fraudulent u.s. passport along with a fake i.d. police say was used to check into a new york city hostel before the shooting. also in