. >> kaerl, we must understand that we have a democratic government after a long hiatus, and what weave is a public opinion that is generally wary of the united states. we have a government that wants to be close to the united states, understands the benefits that could bring to pakistan and yet, a public that does not have a very high opinion of u.s. foreign policy, or, for that matter, of the united states in our region. the approval for united states is in very low double digits -- 17-18% at any given time. under such circumstances, our bigger worry is not just how somebody like me who deals with the u.s. on a day to day basis, or our foreign minister or somebody else with sophisticated understanding of american foreign policy making would take it but how public opinion would take it. if the pakistani public felt that this was just another attempt by the americans to leak documents as a means of embarrassing our government, our military or our intelligence service, then that would not have helped our cause and that's why the obama administration was rightly concerned because look,

and the economy can afford that -- you know, this is good for perspective, kaerl -- we're just restoring those tax rates that only affect 2-3% of americans -- we're restoring them to the level they were in place at the end of the 1990's and as you know, that was a decade where you saw -- >> charlie: economic growth. >> you saw terrific outcomes in terms of growth, private investment, productivity and that was growth that was very broad-based for the gains, very broadly shared -- >> charlie: it is proof that tax rates at that level for people who make over $250,000 is not an impediment to growth. >> i do believe so. >> charlie: the deficit. you have to -- >> i do not believe so. >> charlie: the deficit. you have to stimulate the economy and then you deal with the deficit in a serious way? >> i would say it this way. >> charlie: there is a huge tension here and capitals around the world how do we grow and how do we reduce the deficit? >> the way to balance those objectives is to do what the president is proposing to do, make sure that we stand up and identify ways to make sure we're reduci