and not as a place for permanently imprisoning people without charges in a kafka-esque labyrinth of human despair but more as a terrorist retirement community jihadi meadows. [ laughter ] after all, like our seniors, they wear brightly-colored jumpsuits, they're often on a liquid diet, and we try our best not to think about them. [ laughter ] and who knows, guantanamo bay may even become popular with our own seniors. after all, it's just like florida but with fewer cubans. [ laughter ] we'll be right back. [cheers and applause]éxéx [cheers and applause] >> stephen: welcome back, everybody. my guest is the author of the short story collection "tenth of december." it's about time somebody novelized the calendar. please welcome george saunders. [cheers and applause] george, good to have you back. >> good to be here steencht it's been five years since you were here. >> too long. >> too long. >> stephen: for the people who don't know, the few people who don't know you are a macarthur grant fellow author of several collections of short stories. you've got a new scheks called "the tenth of dec