kagame allows less freedom and space zimbabwe.one who poses the slightest political threat to the regime are dealt with ruthlessly. >> people talk about rwanda as if it has won 15 years of war. nothing has happened there that is -- >> it talks about prosperity. is it just restricted political rights? >> yes, but we have built institutions, we have additional alternatives which comes from learning, if it's lawyers. we have long-trained lawyers and even in the whole set-up, it will speak for itself. i don't have to wait for an economist to say to me, come and rub shoulders with me, nothing is working. the freedom of press is what they're talking about. the initiative is about freedom because that's why cnn, nbc or others would come and work there and do whatever until they want to leave. how can we say there is no freedom of that? the problem is, we've made rwanda itself an institution. they have become the best on everything, including the president of rwanda, the active practitioners. the press is not vibrant itself, it has not de

a conversation with the president of rwanda, paul kagame. let me start by reminding you what happened in rwanda 15 years ago. over a period of just 100 days, 800,000 men, women and children were killed. most of them slaughtered with knives, machetes and axes by their neighbors. it is perhaps the most brutal genocide in modern history. many of you probably remember its portrayal in the movie, "hotel rwanda." by the time it ended, one-tenth of the country's population was dead. most people assumed that rwanda was broken, and like somalia, another country wrecked by violence, it would become a poster child for africa's failed states. 15 years later, rwanda is a poster child after all, but for entirely different reasons. it is now one of the most stable countries in africa, tourism and trade are all improving dramatically. the government is widely seen as one of the most efficient and honest ones in africa. "fortune" magazine published an article recently titled "why ceos love rwanda." the heads of starbucks and other companies are fans. he said