(laughter) please welcome robert kagan. (cheers and applause) hey mr. kagan!ming on. >> thank you. >> stephen: man, i am so happy that you're on this show because you're a neocon, righting? >> i guess, that's what they tell me. >> stephen: that's what they told me about you, too. >> okay. >> stephen: i miss you guys because back in the early... the early 2000s during the bush administration you guys were like the cabbage patch kids, the tickle me elmo. everyone had to have a neocon on their team. it's like talking to a collector's item now. >> thank you. thank you. >> stephen: you're a whole bunch of different things. you're senior fellow at the brookings institution, a "washington post" columnist in. i'm surprisedded that liberal rag lets you write over there. you're a foreign policy advisor to mitt romney. is that as sexy as it sounds? (laughter) >> i'm very honored to be able to work and help the governor any way i can. >> stephen: you're one of 24 guys advising him on foreign policy. >> at least. >> stephen: but you're the best one, right? >> i'm sure that

was stronger relative to the rest of the word than it was before. >> charlie: huntsman, kissinger, kagan when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: we begin tonight looking at china, chinese vice president arrived in the united states on monday. he is anticipated to become head of the ruling communist party this year before assuming the presidency in march 2013. his unofficial and highly observed visit takes him from washington to iowa to laws an less. meant to introduce him to the leadership and the american public. the trip comes at a time of growing grow economic and military tension between the two countries. early today mr. xi jinping met with officials. they realize the importance between the two global powers. joining me from washington jon huntsman. he was previously the outs ambassador to china and governor of utah. i am pleased to have him this evening to talk about something he knows a lot about which is china. he in fact speaks the language. welcome. where do you think china and the united

it will be a del delicate prs for both countries to adjust to >> charlie: we conclude with robert kagan the world the america made which focts focusen america decline or lack of and its relationship with china and its rise. >> the united states go through these crises almost every 40 easiest. she had a great depression in the 1890's, we had the energy crises of 197 07s and we are here 40 years later. what's interesting if you go back and look at that period, the next decade in every one of those situations, the united states came roaring back and actually was stronger relative to the rest of the word than it was before. >> charlie: huntsman, kissinger, kagan when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: we begin tonight looking at china, chinese vice president arrived in the united states on monday. he is anticipated to become head of the ruling communist party this year before assuming the presidency in march 2013. his unofficial and highly observed visit takes him from washington to iowa to laws an le

justices come on, that they are going to start having views that you are going to see by justice kagan's testimony and we also have the fact that this is what i really don't get, we release now the proceedings on audio a few days later. you don't get it the same day, a few days later, sometimes they do it in the same day. and this is what justice robinson mentioned is that what used to happen, they sporadically issued an audiotape. the audiotape and the videotape is not a major step to me, it's simply making it more available to people so they can see their court in action, this is the supreme court of the land, you do not have the -- and i'm hopeful that eventually we will be able to watch our court on tv and that it will not simply be few people who are able to get int into that courtroom with a public proceedings that people will have the wherewithal to get in the door and get a seat, not just those people that want to watch it can watch it, not just the ones that can afford plane fare to go to washington, d.c. >> i want to add my voice first of all on the judgeship confi confirmation

the other, newer justices, particularly justice kagoshima kagan at her confirmation hearing took the position that she thought the court proceedings should be televised and under the bill that senator durbin has drafted the fact that five justices are against it at this point in time would mean that at any one hearing they could actually vote to not have it televised. in effect it immediately would not be televised if that's what they chose to do. on the other hand, times will change and i think as you see newer justices coming on that they are going to have different views as you see by justice kagan's testimony and we have the fact that this is what i really don't get they release now routinely an audio of the proceeding a few days later. you don't get it the same day. you might get it a few days later. maybe sometimes they do it the same day. this in fact is something that justice roberts implemented, was an improvement on what used to happen, which is that sporadically they would release an audiotape. now they do it routinely. so the step between the audiotape and the videotape a

is that transplants need to be for everyone not just for those who have money. >> reporter: when kagan learned last week that navarro had been placed on inactive status, the berkeley tech executive went to work to help a man who has never used a computer. thanks to social media, 140,000 online signatures, $1,000 in donations and international coverage, today ucsf said it was all a misunderstanding. >> we think he has a reasonable plan for long term coverage. he's moving up the list and perhaps in three to six months he might be at the top. >> reporter: josh adler says it was never about navarro's immigration status it was about the uncertainty of his insurance paying for follow up care. well the future is brighter for jesus navarro. only 52 patients now on ucsf transplant list will receive kidneys this year. and that many more will die waiting. in san francisco, rita williams, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> federal regulators have given final approval now to a rule that bans ships from releasing sewage into the ocean within 3 miles of california's coastline. the ban applies to cruise ships a

is that transplants need to be for everyone not just for those who have money. >> reporter: when kaganed last week that navarro had been placed on inactive status, the berkeley tech executive went to work to help a man who has never used a computer. thanks to social media, 140,000 online signatures, $1,000 in donations and international coverage, today ucsf said it was all a misunderstanding. >> we think he has a reasonable plan for long term coverage. he's moving up the list and perhaps in three to six months he might be at the top. >> reporter: josh adler says it was never about navarro's immigration status it was about the uncertainty of his insurance paying for follow up care. well the future is brighter for jesus navarro. only 52 patients now on ucsf transplant list will receive kidneys this year. and that many more will die waiting. in san francisco, rita williams, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> federal regulators have given final approval now to a rule that bans ships from releasing sewage into the ocean within 3 miles of california's coastline. the ban applies to cruise ships and lar

called kagan water are. >> it's medical-grade water. >> p.j.ne found her online and called one day describing himself as a real mover and shaker in the holistic healing scene. >> he was a motivational speaker, spiritual healer and was bragging about an aura machine he had purchased. >> an aura machine? which allegedly did what? >> it reads the energy of a person's heat. >> he said he was interested in her product and brought ginger along to her house to learn more about it. >> i invited them to the kagan water demo that night and they both showed up together that night. >> did they tell you what their relationship was? >> it was very unclear what the relationship was. and they did mention that they had met at a conference in california. i remember thinking as a woman, something's going on with this girl. like she does not know where this relationship stands, she wishes it was more. >> in fact, p.j. says even though lane was with ginger, he was putting the moves on her. >> i was hearing from him in e-mails and facebook constantly, almost every d

i'm pleased to have robin kagan join us.> good morning, charlie. >> did you have anything? >> no, i talked to tom donilin and others on the white house staff about various foreign policy issues but i never talked to them about this. >> as you know, tom came on my late night program and talked about the fact that the president had been influenced by your views. >> so i hear. i'm very pleased that the president found what i was writing was useful. >> what are you saying about america's decline? >> i'm stating it's tremendously overstated and it's premature. you know economically and militarily and in terms of its overall influence is as strong as it's ever been. with very a mythical view of the past. people seem to think we were able to do whatever we wanted and tell people what to do and we can no longer do it. the fact is we've always had difficulties and been in a struggle but i think the united states is still in a strong position. >> there is this fact. there has been a transfer of economic power from the east to the west

. >>> also in washington, supreme court justice kagan will help judge a moot competition hosted by theeorge washington law school. law students will argue a fictional case written by a fellow student. and singer shakira turns 35. all day long, you can stay on top of developments of those stories and others as they break on msnbc. tonight, watch brian williams with "nbc nightly news." >>> finally, here's a look at what is coming up later this morning on the "today" show. mitt romney's post-florida victory blunder and donald trump's major announcement on the gop race. a full report coming up on "today." and lisa kudrow stops by to preview the new season of her hit show "who do you think you are?" keep it on this channel for continuing local news, sports and more. i'm lynn berry. thank you for watching "early today," your first stop of the day today on your nbc station. have a good one.

dean of the harvard law school, is -- happens to be obama's latest friend in court, appointee, elena kagan, and she brought a case against want humanitarian law project with the support of the far right justices, obama won the case, and the charges is one that might implicate plenty of people here. the charge is they provided material assistance to a group that's on the terrorist list. the material assistance in this case was legal advice to the pkk, a turkish group, not a curdish group, but they expanded the concept of material assistance from say, you know, providing guns or something like that to providing the legal advice and even advice to turn to non-violent means. that's now criminal under u.s. law, thanks to president obama, and it extends very broadly. in fact, shortly after this supreme court decision, dozens of fbi agents raided homes in chicago and other cities, destroyed documents, usual thing when a couple dozen fbi agents raid your home. the charge was -- they were trying to find evidence of the people they were -- finally indicted with a grand jury or supporting the palesti

kagan praises obama in a lot of ways. he liked the libyan intervention, he likes his nonproliferation regime. and so i think that's true of a lot of military and foreign policy analysts will say thats's kind of hard to get a clean shot against obama and i think you see that partisan politics force romney to kind of trump up the case a little bit or so the white house would have you say and they would point to kagan and say that's where the truth is. >> and president's national security adviser has publicly praised this book and the president has said nice things about it, as well. >> the president has said it in private meetings. tom donlan has said it in public. romney campaign was aware of the political purposes that his essay was being put to use for. so it's been duly acknowledged. kagan says don't consult the military too deeply. that's where there's a big break and that's where you'll see the conversation headed in the paul. fall or you jeopardize the supremacy that we still enjoy. >> the banner this man is busting

for the three days at the third point i make is in the role of 2010, then solicitor general elena kagan acknowledged before the night is a supreme court that quote the senate may act to foreclose the president's recess appointment power by declining to recess for more than two or three days at a time over like that. presidents have not in recent decades made recess appointments during intercession recesses lasting eras in three days. so there is most recent opinions and presidents that by those who would likely support the philosophies of this president would college with this president is doing is wrong and to speak to the gentleman from virginia mentioned is that this should be about appropriate powers of the executive branch. it should not be about republican or democrat philosophies. it should be about the country and what is good for the country. i believe that all of us in the legislative body as well as executives need to adhere to the precedents and the laws and rules with top bush. without doing that, these bodies cannot game greater credibility with the country and i would sub

. >> reporter: advocate donald kagan says ucsf should perform the surgery because it's the right thingto do. but usf says that they do not make a decision on immigration status. but because there's such a shortage of organ transplants available, they need to make sure it goes to a right recipient. the navarros and ucsf are supposed to meet to find out what they will do. ucsf released a statement that says in part. these patients are not refused treatment, but rather we refer them to community-based and external services. while they resolve those problems, they remain on the transplant waiting list. >>> sonoma county supervisors will consider a proposed cap on marijuana dispensaries this tuesday. county planners issued a recommendation to limit the number of dispensaries to nine in incorporated parts of the county. there are six on the operation . advocates say there's a compelling need for those shops. >>> rallying to save lives, the issue half way around the world that grew protesters to the russian consulate in san francisco. >>> a little later, is legalizing online gambling a budget

three way playoff at the northern trust open in california joint overnight netas phil mickelson and kagan bradley both the final hole to force the playoff through the empath the first extra hole before this forty five for a pass on the second day of hossa but a bradley couldn't do likewise meaning that the title went to twenty nine year old hawks. it's well that's all this will for now i have won a couple of hours time join me then. sure is that so much as i can recall he's right on it so here it is the trials and tribulations of the middle class long considered the pillar of the west political and economic order is now the victim of a long term. if you. are going to take three. or three. three. three. three. three blog video for your media project free media gogarty dot com. israel's allies warn against an attack on iran and urge a diplomatic solution as to iran response to international pressure on its nuclear program with an oil embargo in britain and france. chinese government uses its made news space bird to accuse the u.s. and its allies of pushing the opposition in syria to fight a

torture and wiretapping defender michael hates we've got to overthrow this guy iraq war supporter robert kagan is the right tactical thing to do on consistently amazed at how little responsibility any of these people have taken for their really truly horrific things that occurred during their watch michael chertoff feeling with hurricane katrina and pushing through the civil liberties killing act and self described medieval sort of guy and dick cheney's buddy david wurmser look at all these guys they played very important roles in in the bush administration they don't seem to be particularly humbled from all the massive failures that they that they were responsible for while their track records are far from enviable how could any self respecting person bring in any of these people that brought us that great day whether the afghan war oh that wasn't good enough how about the iraq war i got another one for you how about the war rods there are these people are losers you are right it's convenient so no surprise is one provocation resurfaces the president should have built credible threat of milit

kagan how to say about this idea that's now leaving a senate committee and heading to the senate floor it's about cameras in the supreme court. they know more about you if you allow cameras in the court room as we have here what do you think would be a good idea of what the cameras with the lights blaring and i say right now i think yes we really know but. actually i've said before that i do think it would be a good idea and i differ from some of my colleagues. i can't imagine who it is that he differs from but i'm down and i say why not televise the supreme court i mean this is one of the three branches of government making decisions that impact all the people of this country of course it should be televised the fact that it's twenty twelve and we only get drawings that come out of the most important that's crazy you get audiotapes too i mean they should be televised but this shouldn't be a u.s. congressional bill but should tell her you know i agree that's kind of we are here we just have to get this last story this is the special they're having a pizza hut for valentine's day propos

and the kagan out and you kidding us be meeting with get you need is a vegan ization and the idea of a gay that would be prosecuted is mention of it it's unthinkable a decent company and yet it's i think it is a read it to the right that it is asian with materials appear and talk about it it's true as n.b.c. news included the jews who is funding an oil and being in chaining is to this group and by definition you have the williams on the list of state sponsors of jews and that's the definition of a state sponsor of terror as. i'm somewhere a state that sounds and trains in the arms of this group and it's united states of the script i make a i have a list of ten is two is that it is asians and that claim really claims to is really the associating with it's ascended this group to do it you know there is a tax on the radio instead of blowing things up and sure you scientists who are civilians and so the biggest emitters remember that everything that was in the world is justified based on the need to stop terrorism and here is the united states' closest ally a good union pure to them and

kagan out in advocating on his behalf meeting with leaders of that organization and the idea that they would ever be passive today's is unmentionable it's unthinkable a decent company and yet it's every bit as a reader to believe that organisation with material support or on top of that if it's true is n.b.c. news or polluted the fluid is funding and arming and training is telescoped then by definition you have the rounds on the list of state sponsors of terrorism that's the definition of a state sponsor of terrorism somewhere a state that funds and trains and arms a terrorist group and it's the united states of us company i make a i have a list of terrorist terrorist organisations and it is our primary claim state of israel and the associating with its ascended this group to do terrorist attacks on the iranian seven eleven things out ensuring scientists who are civilians and some of the biggest emitters america that everywhere in suits that are in the world is justified based on the need to stop terrorism and here is the united states' closest ally and good and pure to them and many o

by sandra day o'connor said race could be used as one factor, but this is a direct challenge elena kagan this case, so there's only eight justices. is there a broader application not only in schools and universities, but in other institutions across the country as well? >> well, certainly this case would only deal with the questions of public universities, but the cord builds on its previous cases. if the justices were to say that race is 1i6r7ly an iljet factor to be used by a government entity, that certainly could be expanded, or even private parties. that's why this case is so significant. first of all, public universities are a big part of american life, but even beyond that, the logic would suggest that that affirmative action would be -- >> with elena kagan recusing herself, there are eight justices who will consider this. what if it comes down 4-4. what happens then? >> that mean the lower court pin is upset. it says that affirmative action was allowsed. the supreme court can change its precedents, so a 4-4 would be a tremendous one, but if you look at the five justices all have

a case one example involves the harvard law school is obama's latest supreme court appointee elena kagan argued a case in front of the justice department against the humanitarian law project with the support of the far right to justices. obama won the case but the charges is one that may implicate many people here that the charges and they provide material assistance that is on the terrorist list in this case come of legal advice to the pkk and group, one of the kurdish groups -- kurdish groups expanded the concept from providing guns are something like that to providing the legal advice and even advice >> extends a very broadly and shortly after the supreme court decision dozens of fbi agents but to destroy the documents for when they break your home but the charges they are trying to find evidence of those of been indicted by the grand jury or supporting the palestinian group for pro but the idea of expressing support for the troops on the terrorist list is material assistance to move that is novel in the justice department position was explained that if you provide legal a vice but to

justice elena kagan as oked whether they go after lying politicians. >> mitt romney has a new poll showing him rising to or virtual tie in his home state of michigan, which will hold the primary on tuesday. he made news today when he said the wealthy should pay higher income taxes. >> in arizona, mitt romney called for a 20% across-the- board income tax that raised eyebrows by also calling for a tax to reach the more plan like president obama. >> i will limit the deductions and exemptions particularly for high-income folks so we can make sure the top 10% keeps paying the current share or more. barack obama says that is what is fair. high income folks to pay more. he would raise the tax rate. the president today proposed a cut in corporate tax rates, like mitt romney proposes but not as big of a cut. some obama and mitt romney proposals are converging. it states that they see him as the republican whip of the shot to beat the president. that helps explain his 16 point lead in arizona and today's poll. in his comeback in michigan. the rick santorum surge seems over. mitt romney and rick sant

and up next, author and columnist bob kagan. but first, here's bill karins.>> yeah, i wouldn't give any credit for whatever you were going to say to me. good morning, everyone. we have pockets of freezing rain being reported in massachusetts, that's really about it, light stuff blowing up through new england. the big story today is the warmth. it's like a spring type day across the country. i'm tracking thunderstorms. those white flashes on your screen are live lightning strikes in the areas of oklahoma and arkansas. we'll have more thunderstorms later today maybe a few tornadoes, east texas all the way to louisiana. if you're watching us from houston all the way to louisiana the new orleans area, you have to watch out for strong storms late today into this evening. the rest of the forecast, look how warm it's going to be in d.c. today, 55 degrees, the flowers are up and the buds on the tree are coming out. it's crazy. even the northern plains are mild by their standards. and then tomorrow, all that rain and thunderstorms will sweep off the east coast. no sig