not only from kahlil mala harri herself but the generations of black women before her and black women that put the notion out there it was time to have a black woman at this level. >> abby, joe biden called himself a transitional figure. we talked about just a short time ago. he would be the oldest president ever elected. there are a lot of people that believe he wouldn't run for a second term, obviously, if he gets selected. that's one step if he decides to run again would be another step. how much does it raise the stakes for the pick that joe biden decided to make? certainly, it raises stakes for camilkamala harris as a candidad potentially as a vice president. >> it's incredibly important, anderson. this is such a kons kwengs l pick and for joe biden, this choice was about deciding who he thought was the most likely to be able to carry on a mantle after he was to leave office and kamala harris is someone who for a long time in the democratic party has been seen as a bright rising star and one of the things that i've been told by people close to them over the last couple months, es