kaine: a u.s. snort.ence: he said i felt the anger, sadness and humiliation feeling like you're being targeted for nothing more than being just yourself. what would you say to senator scott about his experiences? pence: i have the deepest respect for senator scott and he is a close friend. and what i would say is that we, we need to adopt criminal justice reform nationally. i signed criminal justice reform in the state of indiana, senator. and we're very proud of it. i worked when i was in congress on a second chance act. we have got to do a better job recognizing and correcting the errors in the system that do reflect institutional bias in criminal justice. but what donald trump and i are saying, let's not have the reflex of assuming the worst of men and women in law enforcement. we truly do believe that law enforcement is not filled with racism. law enforcement with this country is a force for good. they are, they truly are people that put their lives on the line every single day. but i would, i would s

tim kaine, catholic.: mike pence said i'm a christian, conservative, and republican. >> i think we're seeing in these two candidates, two faces of christianity in this country. one with mike pence were christianity is being weaponize as a way to justify a range of discriminations, small minded, mean, xena phobic thinking. in in the case of tim kaine, a different kind of christianity. what i would call a more way,olic way -- catholic brotherly love, if you will, christianity of compassion, of care, responsibility to those who are the weakest. you may remember when he was also the law school, he went to funders to do volunteer work. if my students that they wanted to do that, i would welcome it whether they were catholic or not. i think tim kaine's catholicism is a sense of responsibility and public service. what i see in mike pence is a way in which religion passes as a justification for thinking the world an old-fashioned perhaps ways that never existed before, but in narrowminded ways that -- it is realw

kaine: that is incorrect. mr. pence: isis has conjured up that vacuum and overrun vast areas of the world. mr. kaine: president bush said we would leave iraq at the end of 2007. iraq didn't want our troops to stay and they wouldn't give us the protection for our troops and if a nation where our troops are serving does not want us to stay, we are not going to stay. mr. pence: it was a failure of the secretary of state -- elaine: a lot of people wondering about the economy. let's turn to the issue of the economy. according to the nonpartisan committee for the sponsor will federal budgets, neither of your economic plans will reduce the growing $19 trillion gross national debt. in fact, your plan would add even more to it. both of you were governors and balanced state budgets. are you concerned that adding more to the debt could be disastrous for the country? thatence: i think the fact under this passive administration which hillary clinton is a part, we have almost doubled the national debt . it's atrocious. i'm prou

>> tim kaine. my father speaks from the heart and i'm so proud of what my father has accomplished and he's done an unbelievable job and we're going to win come november 8th, no question about it. >> eric trump, appreciate it. jeff zeleny, you've got a special guest, as well. >> i do, i'm here with the chair of the clinton campaign, john pedesta. did you think senator kaine came across as the more well-liked candidate? >> he did a good job explaining what he and hillary wanted to do for the american people and how to build an economy that'll work for the middle class, not just everyone at the top. he was strong on reproductive choice and he challenged governor pence to defend the kind of hateful campaign that donald trump has run and time and again, governor pence took a dive. >> and you said though that he didn't have a smooth performance. double governor pence was simply not taking the bait that senator kaine was throwing out? >> no, i think he -- he essentially had made a decision that he would n

senator kaine. sen. kaine: that is an easy one for me. i grew up with a great irish catholic council. i was educated by jesuits. i worked with jesuit hondurasries in o now nearly 35 years ago and they were the heroes of my life. i tried it to practice my religion in a very devout way. but i don't believe in this nation, a first amendment nation, where we don't raise any religion over the other, that the doctrines of any one religion should be mandated for everyone. faith a struggle in my life was that the catholic church is against the death penalty and so am i. but i was the governor of the state, and the state says there was a death penalty. so, i had to grapple with that when i was running for governor and i was attacked pretty strongly because of my position. but, i looked the voters of e, and said,the ey i am not going to change my religious practice to get one vote, but it will uphold the law. and i was elected and i did. it was very difficult to allow executions to go forth, but in certain situations where i did not believe there w

he said, no, i think this is -- from the democratic viewpoint what governor kaine -- senator kaine was trying to do was to get governor pence to answer for the trump cap pain, i think democrats say that the pence-donald trump. cap page did not answer the accusations. on the other hand i talked to alabama republican senator jeff sessions is who says they felt that the tone from governor pence showed he is a higher level player than we saw from the clinton campaign tonight. and from senator kaine. but more over, he was talking about depth of policy from governor pence. we did see some serious policy discussions tonight and hear the trump campaign, in particular pointed out feeling that they made some inroads there. obviously that's for viewers to decide something that the trump campaign is crowing about. >> woodruff: lisa talking to representatives of the campaigns there at the debate site at longwood university. amy, this is a point in the discussion when we get to, okay, how much difference is this going to make in the course of the trajectory of this campaign, whatever these two gentl

senator kaine. sen. kaine: that is an easy one for me. i grew up with a great irish catholic council. i was educated by jesuits. i worked with jesuit hondurasries in o now nearly 35 years ago and they were the heroes of my life. i tried it to practice my religion in a very devout way. but i don't believe in this nation, a first amendment nation, where we don't raise any religion over the other, that the doctrines of any one religion should be mandated for everyone. faith a struggle in my life was that the catholic church is against the death penalty and so am i. but i was the governor of the state, and the state says there was a death penalty. so, i had to grapple with that when i was running for governor and i was attacked pretty strongly because of my position. but, i looked the voters of e, and said,the ey i am not going to change my religious practice to get one vote, but it will uphold the law. and i was elected and i did. it was very difficult to allow executions to go forth, but in certain situations where i did not believe there w

>> i haven't interviewed kaine. i have interviewed mike pence. i know kaine. i live in the state where he serves and also where he was governor. i have known him a long time but i don't think i have ever interviewed him. >> no. he doesn't do a lot of interviews. i interviewed pence as well. he stayed on message no matter what i did. >> does he ever. >> i wanted to mess up his hair. he was on satellite so i couldn't. that would be the only way to shock him. >> that might help. >> no matter what you ask him it's okay, is larry byrd better than magic johnson? well, trump,. >> he is a very decent guy. >> very disciplined. >> he has been a true blue conservative for a long time. he has not, in this campaign at least, been a particularly good interview for people like you and me. >> no. the same thing with kaine. kaine is a party man, a democrat has gotten him in to trouble because is he a devout catholic and some of the catholic doctrine does not jive up with the liberal secular movement that the democrats have embraced. that may present a problem if pence were to

and tim kaine was on offense.ou could see it in the tone and the tenor of the way they approached this debate. and there was only one ticket last night that we saw, that was the united front, tim kaine and hillary clinton. they are a united front on policy. the headlines today i'm seeing are about the number of ways in which governor pence and donald trump are -- just simply not on the same page. there were moments last night where governor pence seemed like he didn't even know who his running mate was. shocking to see that. >> what was your response, though, to tim kaine's temperament? there is a number of folks that said after the fact that he did seem to be a lot more aggressive, jumping in a lot, a lot less calm than, say, you know, his opponent there, mike pence was. what is your response to that? >> sure, i think that tim kaine had a lot of energy last night, he's aggressive, he's hungry, he wants to serve his country and that came across very clear last night in the tone and tenor he brought to the debate.

the other thing is that mike pence looked at tim kaine and tim kaine and kaine often looked away from him. people notice those kinds of things. the interruptions that kaine made i thought detracted from his ability to get a message across about what hillary clinton stands for and i think in that way it didn't help the campaign out much. when all is said and done i think we are looking at both candidates as the running mates of the principles. neil: i had it explained to me something like this, whatever slight the trump campaign was experiencing, too early to tell, governor pence interrupted that or slow death or maybe even stop it. what do you think? >> it definitely helps. i sort of felt bad for senator kaine for a moment because it looked like a wild-card game where the flyball came to him in the final hour and he dropped the ball and now the game is running and it looks like he has a win on them. i thought it was thusly terrible. i'm not saying that because i'm a trump surrogate and all that stuff. it was the petulance of the camera. we both know on television a lot of television i

kaine: the next day she said i shouldn't have said that. >> moderator: it's his time please. >> kaine: donald trump did he apologize for calling women's blogs, dogs, disgusting? data donald trump apologize for taking after somebody in the world begins an overweight in apologize for saying african americans were living in hell and apologize for saying president obama was not even a citizen of the united states? you will look to see donald trump ever taking responsibility apologizing. therthere's two plans on the ta. hillary and i believe in comprehensive immigration reform and donald trump believes in deportation. you've got to pick your choice. we want a bipartisan reform that will put keeping families together as the top goal. second, help focus enforcement efforts on those who are violent. third, do more border control and provide a path to citizenship for those that work hard and pay taxes into play by the rules on record checks. that's our proposal. donald trump proposes to deport 16 million people. 11 million here without documents, and both donald trump and mike pence want to ge

did, but kaine started it. and pence had that sort of avuncular way, a softer way of barging in. i do agree that -- just denying things that are on videotape, and that will be replayed endlessly again and again and again this the days leading up to sunday, in the long run it's not a good strategy too it's interesting to both of your point on that. it may help you in the room on the podium tonight to say, he never said that, he never said that, but it makes for an interesting story, the denial -- >> but it's not as if the american people don't know he said that stuff. everybody followed the midnight tweets at ms. universe. so when he went to the greatest hits of trump's comments here, these are all comments that are deeply socialized now into the psyche, the consciousness of the american people. >> they played a commercial for every one of them. >> lawrence, what is your take on how this went tonight? >> well, rachel, normally in these debates i'm non-stop, note taking all the way through. i took my first note a

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it is fair to say, watching years,nd kaine over the this was mike pence at his best, but not tim kaine at his best. john: and republicans i think will hope donald trump can copy some of mike pence's demeanor here, which was calm and reassuring throughout the debate. the question whether donald trump can do that or not is an open one. another thing i think democrats will take comfort in is the extent to which kaine was machinelike in which he raised issues, like donald trump's taxes. pence did not have much of an answer for that. in some cases he did not want to defend trump because he realized he could not. also on russia, another issue where pence tried to deflect rather than rise to the nominee's defense. mark: here we are in longwood, virginia, you're seeing the candidates and their families mixing with supporters. the spin room where john and i are at will see many supporters, the top surrogates. that mike pence would come in, but his campaign feels he did so well during the debate itself they do not want to do anything to sort of mess up the confidence ty are feeling coming out of

what did tim kaine do? >> reporter: well we know he and his team have been tight-lipped 5b9d the way he's been preparing but he's been preparing in his hometown of richmond, virginia. as well as in raleigh, north carolina. a chance to get away and prepare intensely. but he too has been sitting at a table, as we'll see him tonight, sitting with mike pence and the moderator during this debate. and playing mike pence in these preparations is bob barnett. washington super lawyer and agent who's spent ten cycles now helping candidates prepare for debates. mosten recently he played bernie sanders for hillary clinton in the primaries and tim kaine has described barnett as extremely tough in the preparations and also karen dunn and ron klain who been helping hillary clinton out. they have been leading her debate preparations so that's taken a pause to help out tim kaine and really helping him in a kind of debate that even he says is a little different than he is used to. he's debated but he's normally been asking v

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what did you think of tim kaine? you've been covering him. was he tim kaine tonight? >> this is not the tim kaine to which virginia grew accustomed over 20 odd years. he was the model of racial reconciliation broke into elected politics as a member of the richmond city council. where we are tonight is important in that prince edward county where schools were closed in defiance of the brown decision, that's how kaine opened the evening. it was probably one of the few homey moments of the entire evening. and i would suspect sadly that's not a theme that is important to kaine but one he was able to advance tonight. he certainly played the attack dog. he is fully subsumed to the clinton campaign and this is a guy who as governor took a real beating from a republican dominated legislature but, you know, always smiled. always went back to the table. always was looking for common ground. you know, you're a product of the cross. you can understand the jesuits and those orders. this has had a big effect on kaine, his thinking and his approach to government. always looking for

tim kaine said that a lot. he seemed to get under mike pence's skin a little bit listen to this. >> senator, you looked at that mexican thing again. >> can you defend that? >> look, there are criminal aliens in this country, tim, who have come into this country illegally who are perpetrating violence. >> you want to use a brush against mexico? >> he also said many of them were good people. >> it seemed like he tried to get that mexican thing trending on twitter. he was trying to make it happen. it gets to the bigger question, how much do vice presidential debates matter? that happened last night, tens of millions of people watched. what effect does it have on the race? >> well, they do matter. let me just explain it this way. give you a pathway of what i think you're getting at john and i agree with is that, it does matter. first of all if you go to the poll last night, and you dig deep into the numbers when those who watched the debate who participated in our poll were asked do you think that tim kaine could b

i was amazed at senator kaine. you watched his features, his facial expressions and all of this sort of thing. i mean, this is exactly the problem that hillary clinton has, that the democratic party has had in modern times. which is to say being condescending, arrogant, filled with moral and intellectual superiority, and pence challenged him. and when he comes out with all this business about race this and the other thing, he turns it around on him and says, you know, you're trying to run this campaign on insults, and you're accusing us of insults. he went after him. and when they were talking about donald trump being a fire president -- >> you're fired instead of you're hired? >> right. we had a report earlier today on the v.a. in phoenix which we now have a report from the inspector general that says the place is still a mess. nothing has been done. those people would have been fired years ago if donald trump were president of the united states. >> van jones, i'm going to get your response. >> and should be. >> w

senator kaine. sen. kaine: that is an easy one for me. i grew up with a great irish catholic council. i was educated by jesuits. i worked with jesuit hondurasries in o now nearly 35 years ago and they were the heroes of my life. i tried it to practice my religion in a very devout way. but i don't believe in this nation, a first amendment nation, where we don't raise any religion over the other, that the doctrines of any one religion should be mandated for everyone. faith a struggle in my life was that the catholic church is against the death penalty and so am i. but i was the governor of the state, and the state says there was a death penalty. so, i had to grapple with that when i was running for governor and i was attacked pretty strongly because of my position. but, i looked the voters of e, and said,the ey i am not going to change my religious practice to get one vote, but it will uphold the law. and i was elected and i did. it was very difficult to allow executions to go forth, but in certain situations where i did not believe there w

maybe kaine wins.y the end, i thought pence wins for whatever it's worth. >> anything else you want to add. who is your favorite anchor on "fox and friends" including yourself? >> i'm including myself in the whole television universe. ainsley earhardt of south carolina. no, it's true. >> what? what's going on? >> i've never seen an embrace along with an interview. this is the first time that's ever done. he was hugging you the whole time. >> you're just jealous. >> sure, a little bit. >> you're just jealous my tv husband. you can't help it. at the end of the night, you're running on empty, two hours of sleep. going back to the hotel for two hours. you get a little nutty. you're like, please hold me up, tucker. that's what it was all about. i said what did you think about the moderator. he said it has to be a tough job to be a moderator, especially when you fail. he's something else. >> it's a tough job. but she was interrupted both of them 27 times. >> she did have that one moment when she said we can'

kaine, kohe was abrasive. the american people, if you are sitting there wondering if the top of the ticket goes down for whatever reason, it's incapacitated, which one of these two do you want? there's no question, pence trounced kaine. >> kimberly, a loss of cross talk, which never happens on cable news or on panel news. >> i don't know what you are talking about. >> i don't know either. what could she have done to improve that? it seemed like it went off the rails a little bit. >> i think she could have controlled it, to be honest with you. obviously, he had an agenda to interrupt as many times as possible so he gets the gold medal for the most interruptions in the time frame of the debate. i think she had to set those rules straight up from the beginning. i'm not going to tell you again, don't interrupt. i have both sides time to speak. or megtry to take control. i think overall, she did a good job. that wasn't so great. it was more to the fault of tim kaine for not being professional and for interrupting a

does tim kaine -- how does tim kaine defend against that?> well, i think there's an overriding situation here that we can't overlook. there will be specific ways each candidate will attack, but overall we're looking at extreme versus mainstream. between trump as being extreme, hillary being mainstream. believe me, it carries to their vice presidential running mates. when you look at mike pence, he got a zero from retired americans because he wanted to end social security and medicare, as we know it. he's the one who started the planned parenthood craziness with shutdowns. he started that. he signed a horrible law in indiana as governor which would have destroyed businesses there, when tim kaine was governor, five out of six years virginia was rated the top state for business. in the last year, it was the second top state. so, i think you're going to see that reflected. frankly, i know tim kaine very well. served on the sam committee with him, foreign relations. he's kind, thoughtful. he's highly respected by republicans and democrats alike.

tim kaine looked unhinged.o, i think just that the demeanor of mike pence would do a lot to calm people. i think tim kaine hurt hillary's team. i thought hillary was the most unlikable politician until i saw tim kaine last night. i think he lapped her. >> wow, congressman, these are strong words. unhinged. what is a moment that you thought tim kaine was unhinged? >> well, when he kept yapping about trump's taxes and then making up things that he took donald trump's words out of context. >> such as? >> even at the end there he said he wants to deport 16 million immigrants in the first 100 days. >> daonald trump never said the first 100 days but he did talk about a deportation during the primary, congressman. >> what he was speaking about was the immigration control group and what he said at the end is that we're going to secure the wall, secure the borders and build a wall and make sure that we deport the criminal elements and then we'll deal with those who are currently, lawfully, you know, living by our laws,

how effective was tim kaine? sent a video monitor to sit in the seat and play back loops of donald trump saying appalling or shock or con founding things. that's what kaine was there to do, was to repeat, repeat, repeat. it was like he had so many talking points and sound bites in his head he was afraid he wasn't going to get them all out. martha: it was very apparent that they were practiced lines. you are supposed to internalize those lines and make them feel like they are just coming out of your mind. >> hillary clinton had a few lines like that in her debate. pence is good at deflecting and not answering questions. we are here journalists praising people for people to defeat questions. martha: objecquestions.. temperature. >> he was able to deliver them with the appearance, i was just sitting here, it's interesting, and now, blah, blah, blah blah blah. martha: thank you very much, chris stirewalt. bill: a bit later we'll talk to wisconsin governor scott walker. he played tim kaine in rehearsals. when pence wa

kaine plays the harmonica.oe biden did all of the stunts, he mooned the queen of england and the pope in a single after noon and his teeth are literally made of shooting stars. if you look directly into them you will go blind. >> tevor: that just sounds -- >> breathtaking, i know. >> tevor: i was going to say dangerous. >> it's worth it. biden spoiled us, not just dentally. we are never going to have another vice president that is so lovely unpredictable. remember that time he tried to make a paraplegic man stand up even though he was sitting in a wheelchair. stand up, let them see you. god love you, what am i talking about. i tell you what, you're making everybody else stand up. thank you very very much. i tell you what, stand up. amazing. yes. now here is the crazy part. after that, biden smiled at the guy. so now the dude is paralyzed and blind. but you know, that's the gray thing about biden. you just, you can't help but love the guy. even when he's saying something racist. >> in delaware, the largest growt

is kaine prepared to take all of that on?thomas, we expect all of that and then some probably. but i think the challenge tonight is going to be on mike pence. usually in these vice presidential debates, what the public is looking for is to see, are these people that can step into the shoes of the president if, god forbid, the worst happens and they have to assume the job. but in this case, the questions of fitness and qualification are being asked at the top of the ticket, donald trump. mike pence can have the best performance of his life and it's not going to fix what ails the trump campaign. what ails trump is donald trump. i assume pence will have to answer questions about machado or if it's smart, brilliant, genius to avoid taking your taxes for eight years. i don't know how he's going to answer it. the question will be, will he leave donald trump twist negotiate wind there or will he defend him? we saw kelly ayotte have trouble answering for donald trump last night. think about the situation mike pence will have on his h

kaine meeting one another.we should mention that attending tonight, sort of in tim kaine's corner, his wife and also his mom and dad. mike pence's wife is there along with his own mother and his step-father and his kids. one of the things that's interesting about these families is that this last presidential election that we had between president obama and mitt romney, the presidential deooe lekz when we had neither candidate with military experience of any kind. we've got that again in this election. it makes it all the more, i think, important, symbolic and poignant that you've got these two vice presidential candidates tonight talking, both of whom have a son in the united states marine corps. >> here's elaine quijano, our moderator. >> hi, everyone. i'm elaine quijano of cbs news, and i am honored and humbled to be with you here tonight. thanks for coming. now, we have a lot of business to get to. a lot of issues to cover. so i would ask for your help. if everyone could right now please check to make sure t

kaine: now, we are even. did donald trump apologize to senator john mccain for calling him not a hero? did donald trump apologize for taking after somebody in a twitter war and making fun of her weight? did he apologize for saying that president obama was not a citizen of the united states. you will look in vain for donald trump apologizing. immigration, there are two plans on the table. donald trump believes in deportation nation. you have got to pick your choice. hillary and i want a bipartisan reform that will keep families together, second, that will help focus enforcement efforts on those were violent, third, that will do more border control, and l provide a path to citizenship for those who play by the rules and take criminal background checks. that is our proposal. donald trump proposes to deport 16 million people, 11 million of whom are here without documents. they want to get rid of birthright citizenship. if you are born here, they want to eliminate that, that is another 4.5 million people. they wan

holds aenator tim kaine philadelphia, pa. and the top two vote getters in the primary or matched up in the general election regardless of party affiliation. the two are the states attorney general and eight congresswoman, both democrats. live coverage starting at 10:00 pacific.ern, 7:00 p.m. >> washington journal is next. we will take your calls. later, a look at the presidential transition process. live coverage starting at 2:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span. now, we want to get your reaction to the vice presidential debate between senator tim kaine and governor mike pence which was held in farmers for, virginia. you can join >> did he work on that one a long time? host: it is wednesday come october 5. it was debate night last night. we will spend the first half of today's "washington journal" getting your reaction to the vice presidential debate. who won? if you are supporting mr. trump and governor pence, 202-748-8001 . if you are supporting tim kaine and hillary clinton, 202-748-8000

tim kaine was reciting his brief. pence was reciting his brief. >> the moderator. >> and nobody was talking to anybody else. >> and they all had their own thing-tsh. >> editors. >> and no one is listening to anyone. everyone is ranting. and at end -- well you go to the bar. but this whole thing, hillary clinton got herself three to six points ahead by driving his basic bullying really of a woman for weight gain. and it was barely mentioned except in the context you both described. i missed it. she is where she is because she sustained an attack and he helped her for tweeting about it for six days and he didn't mention it tonight. >> editors are great people. i love editor. an editor would have taken that phrase and sort of -- >> highlighted it. put it at the end of sentence instead of the middle. >> so it wasn't just about shooting himself in the foot but what he did to miss universe. not sort of the other thought to it. and that would have kind of paste it somewhere else in the debate. so you heard it and it stood ou

kaine: i get to weigh in. governor pence does not think it has gone so well, he's going to say it's everybody's fault. gov. pence: do you? sen. kaine: when she was secretary of state, osama bin laden was alive. russia was expanding its stockpile. under secretary clinton's leadership, she was partnered with a national public safety team that went after and against bin laden. she worked a deal with the russians to reduce their chemical weapons stockpile. she worked a tough negotiation with nations around the world to eliminate the iranian nuclear weapons program without firing a shot. without firing a shot, and instead of 175,000 american troops deployed overseas, we now have 15,000. gov. pence: iraq has been overrun by isis. because hillary clinton failed renegotiate a status of forces agreement. sen. kaine: that is incorrect. elaine: i would like to move on. sen. kaine: i would like to correct -- president bush said we would leave iraq at the end of 2011. iraq did not want our troops to stay. they would not gi

you just heard senator kaine kaine reject stop and frisk. i would suggest to you that the families that live in our inner cities that are besieged by crime -- >> what about sen for scott, who would you tell senator scott? >> i could -- 've heard senator school make that eloquent ly. criminal justice is about respecting, there is fundamental request here. i just want to talk about the tone that set from the top. donald trump during his campaign called mexicans rapists and criminals. he's called women slobs, pigs, dogs, disgusting. i don't like saying that in front of my wife and my mother. he attacked an indiana born federal judge said he was unqualified to hear federal lawsuit because his parents were mexican. he went after john mccain, a p.o.w. said he wasn't a hero because he'd been captured. he said african americans are living in hell. and he perpetrated this outrageous and bigoted lies that president obama is not u.s. citizen. if you want to have society where people are respected and respect laws, you can't have somebody at the top who

interrupted kaine, kaine interrupted pence. finally the numbers, who but iupted the most, don't know what the numbers are of who interrupted the most that there was a discussion and she went from topic to topic and it was quite a substitute date and i commend her for the job she did. >> the issue of pro-choice came up very late. >> they both have interesting positions on that. governor pence's history did not come out. reince yes. that question has been very interesting given what we see going on in north carolina and the same thing and indiana with businesses and conventions pulling out because of anti-gay discriminatory bills. that wasn't part of the discussion but it was part of thewhat was part ofthe discussion as both men discuss their faith and prayer breakfast every week in the senate. tim kaine's co-sharing that. he had the up. i thought that was a very good discussion on that. but when you get to the issue of contraception and a woman's right to choose, he explained how in fact the trump you and roespew of overturning

i don't know that tim kaine was the needle much. but it seemed like mike pence was going out there and sounding steady and sane. if you take about substance over style. his style is very smooth. he was not rattled. there was only a couple times when it came to taxes. when it came to something else that is escaping me right now. >> too early. >> it's too early, actually. >> the e-mails. the e-mails, jackie? >> no. >> he went back and forth about the taxing and about the e-mails where he was really starting to get into it when they moved topics. >> well right, i think that was one of the other problems last night. they weren't sort of allowed to play out some of these arguments. we won't ever know what happened. >> although it was better than the last format. it was very interesting. they got to sit next to each other. you got your time. but then they were able to kind of go at it. and that was really fruitful on a couple situations that deserved layers. there was one incident last night, mark preston, that showed why pence didn't wan

kaine was very aggressive, he jumped in a lot. the base of both parties, the democrats saw things they would like, i think the religious people really saw stuff in pence that they liked, that they didn't see in trump. my guess is it's not going to change very much. it will give the religious people something to be excited about. and the democrats will be excited with senator cane's performance. >> do you think the democrats are going to be anxious to get sunday night here as fast as they can? >> i don't -- i think sunday night is going to come in due course, the democrats feel like they've had a pretty good week. i didn't see anything tonight that's going to change the trajectory that much. it was a pretty hard hitting debate and pence kept coming after secretary clinton. he did a good job defending, he pushed the tax issue hard and the nuclear issue hard, those are two things that democrats feel like is good in their favor. pence gave the religious people something to cling to here. trump doesn't give them much. >> james carville

tim kaine's strategy tonight. what is it? >> tim kaine's strategy tonight, wolf, a couple things. one, continue the argument or try to continue the argument, against donald trump that has been playing out over the last three days or so about his tax returns and what was in them. he will continue to prosecute sort of all of that. but i think it's something else as well. it is to get some voters comfortable, try to get them comfortable with hillary clinton herself. with her honesty, trustworthiness. his double task tonight, if you will, is to take on donald trump in ways that she has and keep this momentum alive. one thing about vice presidential debates that can be interesting, they can keep things going, or they can sort of halt things. republicans would love for the script to be flipped a little tonight. it's tim kaine's job to make sure that does not happen. >> and the jim acosta, what about mike pence? reverse a tough week for donald trump? >> right. mike pence has been described as trump's explainer in chief, the way that barack obama had bill clinton as his explainer in chief

>> it was really bad for senator kaine to do this. i think the calm and even feel that governor pence had this evening, really allowed the viewers, the people at home, the voters to get a sense of what the message was. that's ultimately with our ticket what matters, it is the message. it is mr. trump and governor pence's message of restoirng our economy, protecting our economy. that came there. >> one of the things that's very clear from the strategy just as an outside observer is they want to dump the kitchen sink and only talk about the kitchen sink of donald trump. i think it was "the washington post" described it as he's trying to put ten pounds of sand in a five pound bag. >> it looked awkward. i hope tim kaine was promised a fabulous prize every time he vomited out the string of talking points. >> i wish i said vomited out. why didn't i pick up on that? >> they weren't funny or particularly effective because they were so nonresponsive to the question asked. if you are watching at home, sean, you saw the actual question posed by

kaine came in hot. so, i think that those are maybe even more than points on style, severely hurt tim kaine, mike pence on the other hand, was that relatively calm presence. it was almost as if kaine and pence switched roles from what we saw with hillary clinton and donald trump, where donald trump was constantly interrupting dur during his debate. but fact checkers will have a the question of whether or not pence said that vladimir putin is a stronger leader than barack obama. you say pence deny saying that. pence said that. he said it just last month on september 8th in an interview with cnn. >> yeah, we will see how this plays in the days that follow. i want to go to our reporters who cover the campaigns right now, cecilia vega, let me start with you. what are you hearing from the clinton camp coming out of this debate? >> george, the first 30 minutes, the clinton camp was declaring victory. no outright declare rations just yet, but they are very happy with kaine's performance. one aide telling me ri

he was not happy with how kaine looked. k kaine interrupted pence 60 times. pence interrupted 37 times. so that said, any sense that the debate will have an impact with undecided voters? >> reporter: well, heading into this, we also heard from some people that because of the very high unfavorability ratings of the two people at the top of the ticket, that undecided voters may look at the two candidates to help them decide who they should cast ballots for, but after this debate, i don't think it's going to be any easier for them to decide between hillary clinton and donald trump. instead, we hear a lot of people who are looking forward to the next debate and potentially even the one that follows it. >> and what are the campaigns saying now that this is all over? >> reporter: well, that's easy. they both said they won. >> yeah. >> reporter: but in all reality, we are hearing that immediately donald trump was out saying what a great job he thought his running mate did. we saw the campaign manager for the trump campaign out here, kellyanne conway, sksh was crowin

tim kaine in the senate. tim kaine, the dnc chair.can't expect that they will be fighting amongst that tonight, you know, when we see them on the stage. >> and they both pride themselves on being nice as well as not name calling. so we'll see what happens when they're under the white-hot glare of the spotlight. gentlemen, thanks so much for talking this through with us. great to talk to you. >>> well, libertarian presidential candidate gary johnson holding steady in the polls despite several high-profile gaffes. can his ticket make a move or even swing this election? we're going to speak with him live next. >> there he is. >> hi, governor. talk to you in a minute. ♪ ♪ jon batiste has mastered new ways to play old classics. with chase atms, he can master new ways to deposit checks too. easy to use chase technology for whatever you're trying to master. upgrade your phone system and learn how you could save at vonage.com/business "yyou just double thetchen's great. heyheat--right?" somethig to cook faster, "no reason." "hey mom, for laun