reading the transcripts from the nixon tapes where ehrlichman tells richard nixon, edgar kaiser is running his permanente a deal for profit and the reason that he can, the reason he can do it i had it edgar kaiser come in and talk to me about this and went into some tap all the incentives toward less medical care big test the less care they give them the more money they can make. i think when we talk about health care and socialized medicine and for proper medicine i think that people need to understand that this is the sort of thinking that went into the formation of these were proper medical entities. it's important to include that in this discussion. i am concerned that when i hear republican congressmen and senators talk about the cost of madison, they don't consider the cost that is imposed by the profit motive. i am using my rabbit ears, i will take my response on the air. >> guest: first let me tell you about kaiser news -- we are a program of the kaiser family foundation which is completely separate from kaiser permanente a sidelight that on the table and we operate completely dependent of the fo

guest: we are a program of kaiser foundation, which is totally different from kaiser permanente. i want people to know that we have nothing to do with kaiser health insurance. also, the earlier comment was that members of congress are saying what you said, that they are getting options their constituents are not, and they want to try to level the playing field. host: republican line from new hampshire is next. caller: i am concerned about businesses that are starting to cancel their employees' insurance before they nationalize health care comes in and order to protect themselves, so they cannot be charged or held accountable. guest: that is something that you should alert your members of congress to. if there is an employer mandate in health insurance, if there is, there may be requirements regardless. host: in the pet line from illinois. caller: i don't agree that the government should compete with the private insurers. i do think the insurers themselves that to compete with each other, it will take a lot of employee -- public education. one of the things thencqa, if people could

another comment from david sampson who says kaiser permanente a, very satisfied. i could not imagine a system working better. from "it will street journal," "lawmakers are getting closer to sweeping changes that would reshape taxes, health insurance, and coverage, for 46 million people in the u.s. who do not have it. as soon as this week, a senate committee is expected to release the first piece of legislation which the second bill to follow later this month. the house expected to unveil its health-care bill by the middle of the month, and both chambers inning to pass legislation by august and deliver a single bill to president obama by october. cal joins us from cookeville, tennessee. what about your health care coverage? caller: not satisfied because i am with the veterans. everybody talks about how great that is. two or three people came down with aids after colonoscopy is because they need cleaner instruments. national health care is not really what we want. first of all, by the gentleman just said about senator fritz -- let me set him straight on this. they h

i have been with kaiser permanente for 11 years. in november when the switchover of everything going on, they were going to george three-time is the amount, and it went about doubled each month so i had to quit after 11 years. so i am wondering when they say you get to keep the insurance that you have, that is really not true. and i would like to know which country does this work in? guest: first, let me say that nothing under the legislation we are working on an house, sort of unprecedented effort where you have three committees working hand and glove literally with the members, the leadership, and staff producing -- nothing in that would prevent you from keeping the insurance that you have. the president says, and i happen to agree, and it cannot deny people who are happy and satisfied with their coverage to be able to continue with that. stay with their insurance, stay with their doctor. that's great. what we are proposing is an alternative to many americans is simply don't have competitive choice in the areas that they live or c