kalka hare welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us so in what sense was the cia different from the soviet bloc intelligence well it latter and what was worse it was very different. i would say. first of all my experience with the soviet intelligence is that they were better educated better qualified they spoke languages much better because. the k.g.b. . intelligence service hired the university graduates i mean people is a must a civil or higher while the cia hired people who is a bachelor's degree and then they trained them and the gave them courses and so forth the comparison. really in favor of the soviet intelligence so how did you feel about other agents who were like you double agents pretending to be one side working for another two years is a mess traders or do you view them as simply professionals who are doing their job well also you know there are different kinds of people there are people who really betray their country for money and is there really double agents in the first sense of the bird i don't consider my sort of the really a double agent. is so. how do